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guys guys cmon the reboot isnt bad i mean i watched all the films but the reboot isnt bad  like Jason in this movie seems more realistic in the fact he can run and did some good kills Jason was also alittle smarter and it does make sense he would capture her as she did remind him of his mother Jason in the movie definetly wasnt bad but he wasnt like kane hodder and when i say hes smarter he tries to bait them out in one scene and in another we see he actually put a alarm in the camp and is actually the first time you see him use a bear trap on a person Jason was more of this hunter in this movie and definetly wasnt bad movie as your basicly saying that the old movies arent that good since it doesnt go out of the box too much

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also if he was added his stats would probley be this

+Can Run

+Traps

+Stalk

-Health Points

-Morph

-Stun Resistance

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4 hours ago, horrorfangirl said:

The Jason from the Reboot sucks anyway....

different people, different opinions perhaps ?

 

I enjoyed the reboot, and yes also enjoyed Freddy vs Jason tons.

For me 8,9 and 10 were really terrible, what a mess when they were released and I saw them imho.

So Freddy vs Jason and the reboot, were for me, tons better than what I had to endure before.

 

For me it went downhill since Vi( but six is my favorite , how odd that may sound..V happened so yes...for me it makes sense I love the VIth one when it was released), when VII was released I really felt like the series were going to be terrible with each new one, well for me that did happen...

 

 I really try to like VII but the story is imho horrible. Though the look of Jason all rotten, is my favorite one of all the looks he has had.

 

As long as they keep releasing more , there is bound to be at least some decent ones among them, or even a great one if we're very lucky.

 

I saw the first when it was released and have been a Jason/Friday fan ever since,

But I think for every Jason fan out there , there are different movies of the franchise which they love or hate.

 

It's a pity we wont get a skin for the reboot one and the Freddy vs Jason one imho. 

But maybe in due time we will, here's hoping... 

 

 

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I already discussed in a separate thread why I think the 2009 reboot is a terrible FRIDAY THE 13th movie (though it's a decent "slasher" film -- but it's not a good F13 film).

To me, part 8 is when it jumped the shark. Part 7 is only interesting because of the gimmick. Part 6 I loved, but that was a period of horror/com, similar to THE RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD (which also had Thom Mathews).

In my mind, the franchise is split into two distinct and equal parts:

Part 1 as a prologue to the trilogy of

Parts 2, 3, 4

And...

Part 5 as a prologue to the trilogy of

Parts 6, 7, 8

Anything after that doesn't exist as canon in my mind.

But in truth, if I had a meeting with Paramount to pitch a new film, part of me would want to ask them how they'd feel about picking up in the present, but retcon as if only parts 1-4 happened, but the lore is that after Jason was hacked to death by a young Tommy Jarvis and they took off, they never found Jason's body. If the film came out in, say, 2020, he'd be 63 years old. Plenty of fight left in the ugly bastard. But since he wears a mask and has no hair, age is really just a number. Besides, he drowned, hanged, took both an axe and machete to the brain, so he's definitely a different entity altogether.

Usually they would worry about the audience buy in. "We don't want audiences to have to think they need to see the earlier films." Which is a valid concern. But the script would be written in a way that you wouldn't. And they would need to drop the numbers, and move to a franchise naming scheme. FRIDAY THE 13th: CAMP BLOOD or something.

But I really like the idea of a return to formula. Just like how part 1 revisited Camp Crystal Lake 20+ years after an unsolved double homicide, this retcon reboot would do the same, only 30+ years later (after a, what was it, 3-day killing spree left 33 people dead).

I like the idea of Crystal Lake having fallen into great murderous mysteries alongside the Zodiac Killer and Jack the Ripper. The idea that this bogeyman "Jason Voorhees" came back to avenge his mother's death and keep people away from the Lake.

I think a new, interesting protagonist and group of victims would need to be fashioned but be realistic, with a defining characteristic and motivation. Not caricatures of "dooood, pass me the blunt, this is LIT, yo!" bullshit that out-of-touch screenwriters tend to craft. This franchise does not work at its best when it tries to be a character piece. In fact, as the 2009 reboot showed (as well as the HALLOWEEN reboot), such attempts push it into ridiculous melodrama.

I also don't understand why a FRIDAY THE 13th film would cost 19 million dollars, like the 2009 reboot. After p&a, that must have cost at least 30 million. Maybe even 35m. That's ridiculous. These shouldn't be expensive movies. At all. 10mil before p&a, max.

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The new Jason would be awesome. He was brutal and fast. If they dont have the rights then ah well. Though it would be fun to use a bow

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The first 4 were good but after that it was a hit or miss on the films. They did slowly get worst with Part 8 and Part 9 being completely ridiculous on how Jason is stopped. Honestly people say Jason X is the worst but I'd counter that Part 8 or 9 are worst than Jason X 

the 2009 was better than Part 8,9, Jason X by far 

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6 minutes ago, DarthSliver said:

the 2009 was better than Part 8,9, Jason X by far 

This is true. But it's also true to say having to eat a half a pound of shit is better than having to eat a full pound of shit, so...

On a side note, the screenwriter for JASON X posted a blog a few years back about how he was homeless for a time after writing that movie. He had gotten back on his feet since then, and he seemed optimistic about his career moving forward, but I don't think he's done anything in Hollywood since. (His name is Todd Farmer, if I remember correctly, and he has a pretty active Twitter account.)

 

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9 hours ago, Motoko said:

Ehhh.. I'm 30 years old, old enough to have grown up through the original jason movies, they are better than the freddy krueger movies, but the BEST slasher movie ever is Halloween,  the original, no contest.

I agree that Michael Myers is the best!

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The reason the old Jason wasn't fast is because he never needed to be. 

It's a mark of dominance, while the others run he just plays a little game by walking casually. 

Making Jason run just ruined it. Made him less dominating and showed he had a fear of them escaping.

It gives Jason limits.

He isnt toying with them anymore, instead has like "crap,  they are escaping".

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9 hours ago, Motoko said:

ohhh, i remember now, the rob zombie ones were with the fat blonde kid who was a young michael?

 

 

What's worse is he made michael grunt all the way through the movie and humanized him.

He was never supposed to grunt, never supposed to be any thing human like.

He was supposed to be the shape.

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Yeah, sorry, but I've been watching FRIDAY THE 13TH films for three decades and I like all of the movies (except Part V, but not because of Roy, just because it's easily the most poorly made, in my opinion) and I think the New Line movies are better than most of the Paramount ones (except Part IV, which is, like, the greatest slasher movie ever made).

I think the top thing that makes a slasher movie great - and emotionally resonant - is a willingness to kill likable and relatable characters.

If all of the characters that die are either pathetic or total fuckholes, than killing them produces no fear in the audience. This is the problem that Part V, Part VII, Part VIII and even some non-FRIDAY THE 13TH films (like the original HALLOWEEN) have. 

Let's look at an example.

In Part VII literally everyone that dies is either portrayed as pathetic (Eddie, Maddy), a total or partial shitheel (Melissa, Dr. Crews, Robin) or has, like, no character at all (Sandra, Michael, Jane, Russell, David, Dan, Judy, Kate, Ben).

Of those, I the only character I even sort of gave a shit about was Maddy. That means there is literally ZERO suspense when Jason is stalking anyone, except for our two, reasonably likable, leads... who survive.

Part VII is especially frustrating because they have a couple of moments where they could have added bits of characterization here and there to make the characters more endearing, but they just don't. You get weird, random shit like Kate being mad at Ben for going to a movie with Eddie for some reason, instead. 

Or, how about this? Imagine if, after Melissa seduces Eddie to make Nick jealous, her and Eddie had actually hit it off. Like, instead of him just coming across as the BIGGEST fucking loser you've ever seen in your life ("I can handle rejection... I'VE BEEN REJECTED BY SOME OF THE FINEST SCI-FI MAGAZINES YOU'VE EVER SEEN!") and Melissa just plain old doubling down on her random and unjustified bitchitude... What if they had actually been into each other? It could have been a sweet and endearing moment that made both characters more likable, and their inevitable gruesome deaths more affecting. 

Now, on the other hand, let's look at JASON GOES TO HELL. In that film you get the inimitable Joey B. ("No one's gonna touch that fuckin' ray of sunshine!"); Vicki - who not only tries to clean up her friend's mom's freaking BLOODSTAINS out of the carpet before she can see them, but goes after Jason with a shotgun and spear in a display of badass fearlessness; and Ward, who lends his fugitive friend the keys to his car without a second thought, because he thinks it's the right thing to do.

And all of these people die HORRIBLY. Which is awesome, because they are established as endearing people, and that makes their deaths more awful than watching Rennie's asshole Uncle get drowned in a barrel of dead rat.

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I grew up watching the F13 films. My favorites were always the ones that included undead Jason because well, I was a shallow little kid and they looked 100x more cool than the living Jason did. Plus, to me, it made a whole lot more sense that some supernatural undead demon killer could do the things he did such as be present everywhere at once, and move bodies around without leaving blood or make noises ect. ect. ect. My favorite movie was VII if that gives you a point of reference for my tastes in the movies, because I thought the whole telekinetic final girl was awesome, and again, gave her a logical reason other than luck to make it out alive. I can remember getting so pumped for their showdown as a kid. It was absolutely the pinnacle of the Friday franchise for me, much the same way Dream Warriors was for Nightmare on Elmstreet (for similiar reasons, too!). 

I don't know, the whole F13 franchise is in its own league when it comes to movies. It's a guilty pleasure, and for whatever reason, I give it a lot of leeway that I would never grant any other franchise. As in, my bullshit meter takes a whole hell-of-alot to fill up to the point where I just can't take anymore. None of them are particularly great movies, not in a critical sense, but they were fun to watch. They aren't scary to me either, but it was a blast to sit back and make bets on who will die first and how they will die. Very rarely did I care about any of the cast, nor did I make an attempt to because I knew that deep down, I wasn't watching it for them. I was watching it to see Jason. The kids were just the catalyst to get him on screen. 

So no, I don't really dock points for the movie if the cast is full of assholes or 2D stereotypes, and I don't care if they have a backstory or even more than a handful of actual lines. I just wanted to see that beast in action doing some really terrible (but really great in a fictional way) things. In fact, I kind of liked it more when they weren't filled out or were assholes because it didn't make me feel as bad when they died a gruesome way.

I guess my tastes in the franchise are a little out of whack though, because I honestly didn't enjoy the first one as much as many of the other movies. Two, three, six, seven, and eight are my go to choices. I didn't care for IV very much because of how supernatural the still living Jason felt and the fact that I actually wanted to kill Teddy myself the next time he said "LAME FUCK." Plus patch-balding Corey Feldman was very Uncle Fester. I also didn't care for the whole Tommy will become Jason storyline that never seemed to materialize but was used as a odd-ball way to end each movie. It was as if the directors couldn't decide whether they wanted to go through with it or not and it never made sense to me to begin with.

I would also like to say that I still don't consider part IX or X a Jason movie. IX was just hella weird. I remember sitting at home watching it when it first came out daring the coroner to eat Jason's heart, and then flipping the fuck out when he actually did it. It just got even more strange after that. I would have enjoyed it more if the credits rolled after the first 10 minutes when they blew him up with a grenade launcher. And X well, X was a comedy. Scary Movie was less of a farce, less of a parody of horror films than X was of the F13 Franchise. The only redeemable part is Jason quickly killing the simulated counselors while the guys commentated about it.

FvJ was.... Well, I thought Jason looked a little goofy, and I hated that they gave mortal Freddy Kung Fu and the ability to actually hurt Jason (Or at least make him tired or woozy or whatever from blood loss) in the waking world. Still, I can't say I didn't find SOME things about it enjoyable. It was nice to see the two together anyways.

All that said, I quite enjoyed the reboot. I didn't care about it canonically or whatever, as I enjoyed the set up the went with originally, but you just can't deny that the acting ( even if they are acting as 2D stereotypes) is miles ahead of anything produced in the original series of movies, and so were the special effects. Some people argue that the original films were not meant to be so graphic, but with Sex Machine at the helm I can't imagine that they wouldn't have if they had the ability to do it, get it approved, and make it look good. So I can overlook the quasi-torture porn aspect of the reboot, and after 2 set up the notion that Jason could be fooled into seeing his mother I could overlook the hostage part as well, so in the end it just boiled down to whether or not I liked the Jason. I did. The scene of him on top of the house with his overshirt billowing in the wind was amazing, and I can remember getting so giddy when he was just.. so aggressively sprinting after people. It was genuinely shocking, almost terrifying even. If they could, I'd love to see him in the game, or a Jason LIKE him if they couldn't get the rights to him.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

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14 hours ago, RKSDooM said:

Yeah, sorry, but I've been watching FRIDAY THE 13TH films for three decades and I like all of the movies (except Part V, but not because of Roy, just because it's easily the most poorly made, in my opinion) and I think the New Line movies are better than most of the Paramount ones (except Part IV, which is, like, the greatest slasher movie ever made).

I think the top thing that makes a slasher movie great - and emotionally resonant - is a willingness to kill likable and relatable characters.

If all of the characters that die are either pathetic or total fuckholes, than killing them produces no fear in the audience. This is the problem that Part V, Part VII, Part VIII and even some non-FRIDAY THE 13TH films (like the original HALLOWEEN) have. 

Let's look at an example.

In Part VII literally everyone that dies is either portrayed as pathetic (Eddie, Maddy), a total or partial shitheel (Melissa, Dr. Crews, Robin) or has, like, no character at all (Sandra, Michael, Jane, Russell, David, Dan, Judy, Kate, Ben).

Of those, I the only character I even sort of gave a shit about was Maddy. That means there is literally ZERO suspense when Jason is stalking anyone, except for our two, reasonably likable, leads... who survive.

Part VII is especially frustrating because they have a couple of moments where they could have added bits of characterization here and there to make the characters more endearing, but they just don't. You get weird, random shit like Kate being mad at Ben for going to a movie with Eddie for some reason, instead. 

Or, how about this? Imagine if, after Melissa seduces Eddie to make Nick jealous, her and Eddie had actually hit it off. Like, instead of him just coming across as the BIGGEST fucking loser you've ever seen in your life ("I can handle rejection... I'VE BEEN REJECTED BY SOME OF THE FINEST SCI-FI MAGAZINES YOU'VE EVER SEEN!") and Melissa just plain old doubling down on her random and unjustified bitchitude... What if they had actually been into each other? It could have been a sweet and endearing moment that made both characters more likable, and their inevitable gruesome deaths more affecting. 

Now, on the other hand, let's look at JASON GOES TO HELL. In that film you get the inimitable Joey B. ("No one's gonna touch that fuckin' ray of sunshine!"); Vicki - who not only tries to clean up her friend's mom's freaking BLOODSTAINS out of the carpet before she can see them, but goes after Jason with a shotgun and spear in a display of badass fearlessness; and Ward, who lends his fugitive friend the keys to his car without a second thought, because he thinks it's the right thing to do.

And all of these people die HORRIBLY. Which is awesome, because they are established as endearing people, and that makes their deaths more awful than watching Rennie's asshole Uncle get drowned in a barrel of dead rat.

OH DEAR GOD! (text falls down from sear size and crushes me)

 

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On 6/23/2017 at 1:03 PM, Seeker said:

The reboot ruined the franchise.

Same with the Halloween reboots.

They should have continued on with Friday the 13th part 11.

The franchise wasn't the same after part 6 or 7.  Jason x was the final nail in the coffin 

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8 hours ago, FlameRiderSD said:

OH DEAR GOD! (text falls down from sear size and crushes me)

 

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Reboot took Jason away from the supernatural killer he became with those stupid ass tunnels. Thats what happens to a classic when the director of Hills Have Eyes gets involved. Was very disappointed 

 

More: 8 was horrid in my book. The two kills when he first revives and the boxer were only good parts. Just my opin of course. Read somewhere Jason X only came about after many failed attempts of a script for a Freddy v Jason  movie. 

 

Part 9 Jason looked badass for the 15 minutes he was in the film. Liked the Dukes performance as well but that was it. FvJ Jason only looked like a real Jason to me when he was on fire at the rave. Mask didnt fit him right any other time.

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1 hour ago, Luckystrike2778 said:

Read somewhere Jason X only came about after many failed attempts of a script for a Freddy v Jason  movie. 

 

Yep. Cunningham wanted to keep the momentum going for FvJ, which was continuously delayed by Robert Shaye. He said he was surprised he and the other execs at New Line were so overprotective of their i.p., because to him, the FRIDAY franchise was merely a meal ticket, but the folks at New Line LOVED Freddy.

But he got the rights back from Paramount, and first needed to set the stage so he made JASON GOES TO HELL, but it had a poor box office pull and even worse reviews. He tried to push forward anyway, but it was really hard to get Shaye to sign off.

After 8 years of trying to develop the project, he felt that Jason was slipping too far out of the public's awareness, and needed to get a new film out there. That's when Todd Farmer, the screenwriter who would find himself homeless some time after writing this script, pitched the idea of taking Jason to space, and for some unknown reason Cunningham felt this was a good idea. The film made 13m at the box office against a 14m budget. But figure after p&a the movie probably cost more like 20m, and the fact studios only get about an average of 55% of box office after the theaters take their cut, we're looking at a movie that probably lost 13 million dollars in total.

But ironically, this box office and critical bomb made Shaye realize that if he kept dicking around, Cunningham would destroy the FRIDAY brand before a showdown could ever take off. So he finally signed off on development, and a year later they had a script.

As a side note, it's strange how Wes Craven and Sean Cunningham made a film together, and then went on to create the two most endurable slasher icons of all time.

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