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18 minutes ago, Matt23leo said:

I was going to say Myers, actually.  To be honest, that's really just based on the fact I thought the Halloween series was simply better than F13 movies, and Michael Myers was scarier than Jason to me.  

Yeah Jason was scary in the first 4 films for me but then all of the resurrection crap was a bit over the top and then it got even crappier by sending Jason to space. Like WTF?! Same goes with Freddy except he was scary in the 1st and New Nightmare, all of the dream warrior stuff was crappy too.

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1 hour ago, CountYorgaVampir said:

There was a comic in Fangoria Magazine in the mid 80s that pitted Jason against Michael. The winner then took on Leatherface  

Myers won. 

This merits watching, as the direction and cinematography are pretty solid.

But be forewarned: The acting is atrocious -- on par with an ultra-low budget porn flick. And the script gets a bit ridicu-hokey. 

If you can look past that, you might somewhat enjoy this nine minutes of Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees doing battle.

 

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1 hour ago, IcrazyKid855 said:

Somebody posted a topic on “Jason vs robocop” which got me thinking....

Who do you guys think would win in a fight, Michael Myers or Jason Voorhees?

I think they wouldn't fight...  and be best friends forever.

 

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Since this pairing has come up many times, I took the opportunity to consolidate multiple "Jason Voorhees vs Michael Meyers" conversations. 

The thing that bothers me through all of this is that not once does anyone bring up Dana Carvey as an alternative foe. Why all the love for only one side of the Wayne's World duo?

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I'm gonna say Jason will win the battle, but people give Myers way too much shit. His feats rival Jason's in many ways and they are practically doppelgangers in most regards.

The fight will be a lot closer than you think it is.

Freddy wins the war though.

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2 minutes ago, ZillaMeister said:

I'm gonna say Jason will win the battle, but people give Myers way too much shit. His feats rival Jason's in many ways and they are practically doppelgangers in most regards.

The fight will be a lot closer than you think it is.

Freddy wins the war though.

Okay, here's my thought process on any of these "Movie Killer vs. Movie Killer" conversations:

If they're fully HUMAN, then it's a debatable subject.

If they're SUPERNATURAL (i.e., powers, can't be killed, etc.) then it's just blah blah blah.

Jason. Michael Myers. Freddy Krueger. WHO WOULD WIN??

The answer is always one of two answers:

  1. Artist's Interpretation - in a comic book or a fan film or a graphic novel or anything like that -- the gloves are pretty much off, so long as the license holders sign-off on them. If the creators like one killer more than the other, then that killer wins. Is that definitive?? Never. Like football, one of these battles would be "any given Sunday." Also, since these cats CAN'T DIE, "beating" them is always up to interpretation. What does "beating" them mean? You knocked them down? You trapped them somewhere? You lopped their head off (which they will soon reattach)? They WON'T DIE, so what does it matter?
  2. The Classic Stalemate - Think of how protective people like Cunningham, Craven, Carpenter/Akkad are about their franchises. Will ANY of them sign-off on their killer being soundly defeated? (Okay, I know Wes Craven is dead, but New Line would be just as protective.) Nobody wants their terror machine to be anybody's "b!%@#". It would ruin the franchise, because it would ALWAYS then be, "Well, sure he can kill those teenagers, but he got his @$$ handed to him by Michael Myers." They would no longer be bankable, and the franchise would die. Hence the reason for the "wink" at the end of FvJ. Did Jason win? NO! You just THOUGHT he did until that wink! It was a STALEMATE! Which is the only possible CANON outcome there can be for these types of confrontations. Jason vs. Ash? Sounds cool, but if you think about it -- Jason should utterly destroy the human Ash. BUT, that would never happen. It would end in another stalemate until Jason vs. Michael Myers -- which would then be yet ANOTHER stalemate!

By the way: Jason vs. RoboCop?? Supernatural vs. Technology?? Jason cannot die. RoboCop can be dismantled and destroyed.

You do the math. 

Thus endeth . . . the lesson.

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Classic Michael vs Classic Jason- Michael wins

Zombie Jason vs. Cursed Michael- Draw

Reboot Michael vs Reboot Jason- Draw 

The most entertaining fight imo would be the more athletic Michael from H20 vs Jason from Jason Lives 

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34 minutes ago, Cokeyskunk said:

Okay, here's my thought process on any of these "Movie Killer vs. Movie Killer" conversations:

If they're fully HUMAN, then it's a debatable subject.

If they're SUPERNATURAL (i.e., powers, can't be killed, etc.) then it's just blah blah blah.

Jason. Michael Myers. Freddy Krueger. WHO WOULD WIN??

The answer is always one of two answers:

  1. Artist's Interpretation - in a comic book or a fan film or a graphic novel or anything like that -- the gloves are pretty much off, so long as the license holders sign-off on them. If the creators like one killer more than the other, then that killer wins. Is that definitive?? Never. Like football, one of these battles would be "any given Sunday." Also, since these cats CAN'T DIE, "beating" them is always up to interpretation. What does "beating" them mean? You knocked them down? You trapped them somewhere? You lopped their head off (which they will soon reattach)? They WON'T DIE, so what does it matter?
  2. The Classic Stalemate - Think of how protective people like Cunningham, Craven, Carpenter/Akkad are about their franchises. Will ANY of them sign-off on their killer being soundly defeated? (Okay, I know Wes Craven is dead, but New Line would be just as protective.) Nobody wants their terror machine to be anybody's "b!%@#". It would ruin the franchise, because it would ALWAYS then be, "Well, sure he can kill those teenagers, but he got his @$$ handed to him by Michael Myers." They would no longer be bankable, and the franchise would die. Hence the reason for the "wink" at the end of FvJ. Did Jason win? NO! You just THOUGHT he did until that wink! It was a STALEMATE! Which is the only possible CANON outcome there can be for these types of confrontations. Jason vs. Ash? Sounds cool, but if you think about it -- Jason should utterly destroy the human Ash. BUT, that would never happen. It would end in another stalemate until Jason vs. Michael Myers -- which would then be yet ANOTHER stalemate!

By the way: Jason vs. RoboCop?? Supernatural vs. Technology?? Jason cannot die. RoboCop can be dismantled and destroyed.

You do the math. 

Thus endeth . . . the lesson.

Uhm, Jason CAN die. And has. Twice. (Once in Final Chapter, once in Final Friday). Doesn't necessarily mean he stays dead, but he has died. Myers is "immortal" but he still has the body of a human. He got decapitated in H20 (or you could ignore that in favor of Resurrection, whatever). Freddy has also died at least twice.

Just because something is pegged as "immortal" doesn't mean they are "invincible" 

I'm not talking about studio interference and cliches and whatnot. I'm talking about a fight. Feats of strength, intelligence, speed, durability, ect.

Robocop would beat the piss out of Jason because Jason couldn't make a dent in his armor.

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Let's analyze this for a moment:

1 hour ago, ZillaMeister said:

Uhm, Jason CAN die. And has. Twice. (Once in Final Chapter, once in Final Friday). Doesn't necessarily mean he stays dead, but he has died. Myers is "immortal" but he still has the body of a human. He got decapitated in H20 (or you could ignore that in favor of Resurrection, whatever). Freddy has also died at least twice.

You are now having an argument of semantics. To you, "dying" (at least in this case) means they stop for a time, then inevitably resurrect. To ME, "dying" is dead and gone, never to return. By that definition (which is accurate in all these franchises), they cannot truly die. 

1 hour ago, ZillaMeister said:

Just because something is pegged as "immortal" doesn't mean they are "invincible" 

Again, as I mentioned -- being "vanquished" is in the eye of the interpreter. What do you consider being "vinced"? (for lack of a better word)

1 hour ago, ZillaMeister said:

I'm not talking about studio interference and cliches and whatnot. I'm talking about a fight. Feats of strength, intelligence, speed, durability, ect.

I still fail to see your point. Jason, Michael Myers AND Freddy are all very strong and smart. Freddy is the fastest of the three, but I don't think that gives him a scale-tipping advantage. Again, they are all SO equally matched (AND powered), it would most likely end in a fruitless stalemate.

1 hour ago, ZillaMeister said:

Robocop would beat the piss out of Jason because Jason couldn't make a dent in his armor.

So, Jason couldn't just grab him and pull him apart at his joints . . . ? Or do you only consider Jason a killer with sharp objects? Again, RoboCop could "beat the piss" out of Jason 90 times back-to-back if he wanted to. Jason would keep getting back up. Wouldn't Robo eventually run out of power and need a recharge? Jason wouldn't.

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11 minutes ago, Cokeyskunk said:

Let's analyze this for a moment:

You are now having an argument of semantics. To you, "dying" (at least in this case) means they stop for a time, then inevitably resurrect. To ME, "dying" is dead and gone, never to return. By that definition (which is accurate in all these franchises), they cannot truly die. 

Again, as I mentioned -- being "vanquished" is in the eye of the interpreter. What do you consider being "vinced"? (for lack of a better word)

I still fail to see your point. Jason, Michael Myers AND Freddy are all very strong and smart. Freddy is the fastest of the three, but I don't think that gives him a scale-tipping advantage. Again, they are all SO equally matched (AND powered), it would most likely end in a fruitless stalemate.

So, Jason couldn't just grab him and pull him apart at his joints . . . ? Or do you only consider Jason a killer with sharp objects? Again, RoboCop could "beat the piss" out of Jason 90 times back-to-back if he wanted to. Jason would keep getting back up. Wouldn't Robo eventually run out of power and need a recharge? Jason wouldn't.

Jason and Freddy were in hell. I'm pretty sure that constitutes death. They may revive from death, but they are still dead. A winner of the fight would presumably constitute who would send the others to their temporary graves first.

If the battle is in the dream world then Freddy auto wins because he is actually invincible (AKA nigh unbeatable) in the dream world. Jason almost lost to Freddy in FvJ until he got yanked into the real world when the protagonist intervened.

I assume you haven't seen all the Robocop movies. Robocop is literally a walking tank that eats bullets, explosions and moving cars, and giant robots for breakfast. He's a metal being, not flesh and blood. Jason is strong but he isn't a machine (not factoring in Uber Jason). Jason would never be able to beat through Robocop's exterior, and Robocop wouldn't let him pull off his arms. Robocop would pull off Jason's arms and call it a day.

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16 minutes ago, ZillaMeister said:

Jason and Freddy were in hell. I'm pretty sure that constitutes death. They may revive from death, but they are still dead. A winner of the fight would presumably constitute who would send the others to their temporary graves first.

If the battle is in the dream world then Freddy auto wins because he is actually invincible (AKA nigh unbeatable) in the dream world. Jason almost lost to Freddy in FvJ until he got yanked into the real world when the protagonist intervened.

So you're telling me that -- were any of these three (J, MM & F) were to face-off against one another in any combination on multiple occasions, there would be a clear and recurrent (same) winner each time? Just clarifying your meaning.

16 minutes ago, ZillaMeister said:

I assume you haven't seen all the Robocop movies. Robocop is literally a walking tank that eats bullets, explosions and moving cars, and giant robots for breakfast. He's a metal being, not flesh and blood. Jason is strong but he isn't a machine (not factoring in Uber Jason). Jason would never be able to beat through Robocop's exterior, and Robocop wouldn't let him pull off his arms. Robocop would pull off Jason's arms and call it a day.

I have seen them all. Including the lousy remake. And Jason also eats bullets and explosions "for breakfast." He's never faced a giant robot before, but if you take the moving cars in the game as canon, you could include those, as well. (Please don't bring up the calamity that was Part 9 in this argument. That is the ugly red-headed stepchild in the whole franchise, and the one most largely dismissed by the entire fanbase.)

RoboCop very much IS flesh and blood. It may be the lesser part of his composition, but it is definitely there. In fact, it was Kane's humanity (flesh and blood) which led to his ultimate defeat at the hands of RoboCop in Part 2. Plus, RoboCop has been *almost* defeated several times, so he's surely not without his weaknesses which could be exploited.

We also must stick to facts when debating like this. Saying things like, "Jason would never be able to beat through Robocop's exterior" or "Robocop wouldn't let him pull off his arms" is completely rooted in speculation. We have no basis or control scenarios over Jason's strength limitations or, for that matter, his maximum strength in comparison to RoboCop's maximum strength.

I don't think anyone in franchise history has ever "let Jason" pull their arms off. They all preferred it not happen and tried to avoid it. If you're saying RoboCop would NEVER be in danger of having his limbs ripped off at the joints, you'd need to root that in fact. 

It's obvious you're a big RoboCop fan, as am I. But I am trying to look at this objectively and scientifically, rather than letting whom I would prefer to win get in the way of the conversation. 

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9 hours ago, IcrazyKid855 said:

Yeah Jason was scary in the first 4 films for me but then all of the resurrection crap was a bit over the top and then it got even crappier by sending Jason to space. Like WTF?! Same goes with Freddy except he was scary in the 1st and New Nightmare, all of the dream warrior stuff was crappy too.

My thoughts exactly regarding what you said about Freddy.  A Nightmare on Elm Street was one of my favorite franchises in horror.  However, the first one and New Nightmare were really the only two that I found truly scary.  As soon as they took Freddy out of darkness and shadow and made him start cracking those stupid jokes he just stopped being scary.  I would love to see them do the reboot thing they are currently doing with Halloween with A Nightmare on Elm Street.  Just pretend that the first one was the only film made and make a TRUE sequel that completely ignores Freddy 2- Freddy's Dead.  Anything that would make it to where Nancy didn't fall for Freddy posing as her father and dying in such a horrible, stupid way like she did in Dream Warriors. lol.  

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Jason doesnt cry when he gets shot or stabbed in the face. Well there was that one time... but that pen was a gift!  As soon as im done killing robocop im comin for you michael. Whatcha gonna do brother?!

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8 hours ago, Matt23leo said:

My thoughts exactly regarding what you said about Freddy.  A Nightmare on Elm Street was one of my favorite franchises in horror.  However, the first one and New Nightmare were really the only two that I found truly scary.  As soon as they took Freddy out of darkness and shadow and made him start cracking those stupid jokes he just stopped being scary.  I would love to see them do the reboot thing they are currently doing with Halloween with A Nightmare on Elm Street.  Just pretend that the first one was the only film made and make a TRUE sequel that completely ignores Freddy 2- Freddy's Dead.  Anything that would make it to where Nancy didn't fall for Freddy posing as her father and dying in such a horrible, stupid way like she did in Dream Warriors. lol.  

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I hope so! It seems at the moment though the Friday the 13th will be getting a reboot as the person making Halloween said he would want to do Friday the 13th after Halloween

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Last man standing is jason in my mind. People can say he is animalistic, but make no mistake animals are very cunning, especially if they smell weakness. You can burn, drown, electrocute, machete cleave, shoot and stab our boy but he keeps on comin. 

 

On 5/8/2018 at 2:04 AM, IcrazyKid855 said:

I hope so! It seems at the moment though the Friday the 13th will be getting a reboot as the person making Halloween said he would want to do Friday the 13th after Halloween

As long as rob zombie doesnt get his grubby dreadlocked mitts on it we are good.. Lol

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On 5/7/2018 at 10:50 AM, Cokeyskunk said:

Okay, here's my thought process on any of these "Movie Killer vs. Movie Killer" conversations:

If they're fully HUMAN, then it's a debatable subject.

If they're SUPERNATURAL (i.e., powers, can't be killed, etc.) then it's just blah blah blah.

Jason. Michael Myers. Freddy Krueger. WHO WOULD WIN??

The answer is always one of two answers:

  1. Artist's Interpretation - in a comic book or a fan film or a graphic novel or anything like that -- the gloves are pretty much off, so long as the license holders sign-off on them. If the creators like one killer more than the other, then that killer wins. Is that definitive?? Never. Like football, one of these battles would be "any given Sunday." Also, since these cats CAN'T DIE, "beating" them is always up to interpretation. What does "beating" them mean? You knocked them down? You trapped them somewhere? You lopped their head off (which they will soon reattach)? They WON'T DIE, so what does it matter?
  2. The Classic Stalemate - Think of how protective people like Cunningham, Craven, Carpenter/Akkad are about their franchises. Will ANY of them sign-off on their killer being soundly defeated? (Okay, I know Wes Craven is dead, but New Line would be just as protective.) Nobody wants their terror machine to be anybody's "b!%@#". It would ruin the franchise, because it would ALWAYS then be, "Well, sure he can kill those teenagers, but he got his @$$ handed to him by Michael Myers." They would no longer be bankable, and the franchise would die. Hence the reason for the "wink" at the end of FvJ. Did Jason win? NO! You just THOUGHT he did until that wink! It was a STALEMATE! Which is the only possible CANON outcome there can be for these types of confrontations. Jason vs. Ash? Sounds cool, but if you think about it -- Jason should utterly destroy the human Ash. BUT, that would never happen. It would end in another stalemate until Jason vs. Michael Myers -- which would then be yet ANOTHER stalemate!

By the way: Jason vs. RoboCop?? Supernatural vs. Technology?? Jason cannot die. RoboCop can be dismantled and destroyed.

You do the math. 

Thus endeth . . . the lesson.

Calling BS here. It's all meta. "The rights holders this or that." It doesn't matter within the confines of the respective fictional universe. 

As far as Jason vs Robocop, Jason dies. He dies pretty much every film. Hell, without a large bit of contrivance in Jason Lives, Jason wouldn't have ever come back. Even if he does come back, putting him in the ground for years at a time pretty much constitutes a victory. And while Robocop can be dismantled or destroyed, Jason isn't going to be the one doing that. Anything short of Jason X goes down hard, barring mental gymnastics and context. 

So your math is off, Prof. I'd not end the lesson with 1+1=3 logic. 

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1 minute ago, Risinggrave said:

Calling BS here. It's all meta. "The rights holders this or that." It doesn't matter within the confines of the respective fictional universe. 

As far as Jason vs Robocop, Jason dies. He dies pretty much every film. Hell, without a large bit of contrivance in Jason Lives, Jason wouldn't have ever come back. Even if he does come back, putting him in the ground for years at a time pretty much constitutes a victory. And while Robocop can be dismantled or destroyed, Jason isn't going to be the one doing that. Anything short of Jason X goes down hard, barring mental gymnastics and context. 

So your math is off, Prof. I'd not end the lesson with 1+1=3 logic. 

If jason dies how come mother says, "No matter what they do to you, you can never die"?

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17 minutes ago, F134Ever86 said:

If jason dies how come mother says, "No matter what they do to you, you can never die"?

There is a word in the dictionary, I want you to look up It's called 'Hyperbole.'

With that, lets look at a few feats. Final Chapter. Kid Tommy kills Jason. Jason stays dead until adult Tommy brings Jason back with the aid of an act of god. Jason then goes into torpor chained at the bottom of the lake until Tina releases him. After Jason's defeat at her (ghost dad's) hands, Jason is once again down for the count until outside forces (a conveniently placed power cable and anchor) revive him.

Jason actually seems to bounce back from toxic waste pretty well, even if his mask didn't. Then after being yanked underground by demon muppet hands, Jason is dead until Freddy Krueger acts as the outside stimulus. Then at the end of Jason X, the film franchise ends with Jason being turned into a shooting star and thus, dust. Fin. 

So yeah, Jason is brought back through outside forces more than once, and his story wouldn't have continued without some contrived events occurring. 

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31 minutes ago, Risinggrave said:

There is a word in the dictionary, I want you to look up It's called 'Hyperbole.'

With that, lets look at a few feats. Final Chapter. Kid Tommy kills Jason. Jason stays dead until adult Tommy brings Jason back with the aid of an act of god. Jason then goes into torpor chained at the bottom of the lake until Tina releases him. After Jason's defeat at her (ghost dad's) hands, Jason is once again down for the count until outside forces (a conveniently placed power cable and anchor) revive him.

Jason actually seems to bounce back from toxic waste pretty well, even if his mask didn't. Then after being yanked underground by demon muppet hands, Jason is dead until Freddy Krueger acts as the outside stimulus. Then at the end of Jason X, the film franchise ends with Jason being turned into a shooting star and thus, dust. Fin. 

So yeah, Jason is brought back through outside forces more than once, and his story wouldn't have continued without some contrived events occurring. 

But once you die you cant come back. You should look up the word death:P. Also jason made all those ressurections happen through spectral influence. 

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2 hours ago, BigShaunPolk said:

As long as rob zombie doesnt get his grubby dreadlocked mitts on it we are good.. Lol

Yeah lmao 

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16 minutes ago, IcrazyKid855 said:

Yeah lmao 

With zombie you get excessive nudity and violence. Im all for it.

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4 hours ago, F134Ever86 said:

But once you die you cant come back. You should look up the word death:P. Also jason made all those ressurections happen through spectral influence. 

What are you on about?  Are you trying to be witty? Because if so, you failed horribly. 

As far as spectral influence, feats show Tommy being instrumental in bringing Jason back in Lives. Tina does the same in New Blood. An anchor and cable in Manhattan. Freddy in FVJ. Without that occurring? Jason may never have come out of his grave, or gotten out after being dropped in the bottom of the lake. 

Feats trump theory. Or better yet, it's best to base your theory on feats so you can back it up. 

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4 hours ago, F134Ever86 said:

With zombie you get excessive nudity and violence. Im all for it.

Its story first, not nudity and violence which was the problem with his Halloween movies

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