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26 minutes ago, Ahab said:

Playing every match as if Jason hunters are going to kill you will leave you with 1 kill... if you are lucky

Well then, I must be particularly lucky because I have never once killed only one counselor. There have certainly been matches where some escape but more often than not I get the "no survivors" bonus. 😕

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On ‎3‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 5:06 PM, Drop.Dead.Cynical said:

Well then, I must be particularly lucky because I have never once killed only one counselor. There have certainly been matches where some escape but more often than not I get the "no survivors" bonus. 😕

   Try playing against more than one person that knows what they are doing and works as a team.

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On 3/13/2019 at 5:06 PM, Drop.Dead.Cynical said:

Well then, I must be particularly lucky because I have never once killed only one counselor. There have certainly been matches where some escape but more often than not I get the "no survivors" bonus.

Agreed. It doesn’t matter how you play, what team you are playing, you if you are good or even decent as Jason, you will get more then 1 kill. You may not ALWAYS clear the lobby, but you’ll always end up with the majority of the lobby.

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14 hours ago, TheHansonGoons said:

@Ahab

I think this video proves your point exactly. This was natural, no perk boosts. As you can tell its the beginning of the match as well. I know its a part 9, but then again I was an injured Fox.

https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/thehansongoons/video/71509511

Demasked in 3 hits, less than 2 minutes in with Fox. Unreal.

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6 hours ago, Big Daddy J said:

Demasked in 3 hits, less than 2 minutes in with Fox. Unreal.

This is exactly why a lot of us are saying killing Jason is way too easy. 

You don't even need Buggsy with Thrasher to demask Jason with a massive quickness, it just makes it even faster.  

I've demasked Jason off his first morph to the fuse box.  I was in the fuse house, there was an axe, I made a lot of noise and locked the door/opened windows so he would visit me.  I hit him after he broke down the door and his mask came off.  That's a Part IX with minus defense true but I stunned him with the demask, so I had another free shot, if needed, which would have demasked any other Jason anyway.  

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On ‎3‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 2:46 PM, Drop.Dead.Cynical said:

@Ahab you assume a lot... and have absolutely nothing upon which to base your assumptions. Good luck in life with that. 

   I do not assume anything... unless I add to a statement... "I am not sure", or "don't quote me on this"... I actually realize that pretty much everything is situational... which is something you miss A LOT... You speak like your plan will work every time. It will not... NO plan works every time simply because everything is situational... and NO ONE can see every variable to plan around ANYTHING... Also the given plan here CANNOT be used for every Jason variant... as it requires more traps than some Jasons have... so your plan is USELESS... end of story.
   If you come to a different conclusion than this... then you have not thought it through and have missed many other points you should have considered... which makes you the one making assumptions.

   And yes... not making assumptions and actually thinking things through has helped me out greatly in life... and allowed me to help a great many other people as well... But thanks for wishing me luck anyway.
   And no... I am not making an assumption here at all... I am basing it on my own experience (of which I have A LOT)... and I have played against Jason players that would make your skills look laughable. Try playing against some good players. My friends and I make Jason players like you eat their words SEVERAL times each night... as there is no shortage of Jason players that talk like you do... And do not assume I am saying we can do this in EVERY game... We all have good games and bad games... which is why players making claims like yours is utterly laughable... Unless of course, you have NEVER played against a team of co ordinated players that know what they are doing. Only under this circumstance could I understand why you think the way you do... Other than your name of course.
 

On ‎3‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 3:01 PM, BlkHawk said:

Agreed. It doesn’t matter how you play, what team you are playing, you if you are good or even decent as Jason, you will get more then 1 kill. You may not ALWAYS clear the lobby, but you’ll always end up with the majority of the lobby.

   Agree all you like... You are wrong. Play against a group of seven players that are actually good at the game... it might even take more than one game... maybe more than twenty games, depending on who you play against... there is that "situational" thing again... But you will wind up with zero kills against the right team as well. As I said to the Cynical one above... My friends and I have made Jason players like you eat their words MANY times... 
   And truly... who cares if you only got one of us... that leaves you with one kill... Which is only one step above how pathetic it is to get zero kills. 
   Also... Jason players that claim they ALWAYS get 8 of 8... are not considering that missing one car can lead to four escapes... which WILL happen to everyone. It is just a matter of time before you are chasing a driver that know what he is doing... and has three passengers. This point alone is enough to prove any Jason player that claims they ALWAYS get 8 of 8 is full of crap... and Cynical did say.... 

On ‎3‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 5:06 PM, Drop.Dead.Cynical said:

more often than not I get the "no survivors" bonus.

   And I call BULLSHIT.
   More often than not... I see Jason players missing cars... which means you are NOT getting a "no survivors" bonus.
   More often than not... I see the cops getting called and multiple counselors escaping to the cops... let alone getting a car or the boat started... and perhaps getting away as well... Also, no bonus here.
   More often than not, I see counselors pushing multiple objectives... being Jason can only be in one place at a time... he can only defend ONE objective at a time. When multiple objectives are being pushed... one or more WILL be completed in a match... and chances are... more than one counselor is escaping... Also no bonus for you here.

   And I do not need to add this but I will, just because it is FACT.... The Jason players I see this happening against are AWESOME Jason players... They do get their no survivor bonuses sometimes against my friends and I, but those are few and far between. 8 of 8 kills for Jason is a rarity for me to see these days... and yes... I do get it myself sometimes too... but, people escape... it happens... But you seem to be in denial about it... unless of course... you have never actually played against counselors that know what they are doing... which would be the ONLY way your claims could possibly make sense.
 

20 hours ago, TheHansonGoons said:

@Ahab

I think this video proves your point exactly. This was natural, no perk boosts. As you can tell its the beginning of the match as well. I know its a part 9, but then again I was an injured Fox.

https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/thehansongoons/video/71509511

    Thank you... I never seem to have any room on my hard drive to record games. One day, I will clean up my hard drive, but right now... it just reeks of effort. 
 

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On 3/20/2019 at 2:57 PM, Ahab said:

You speak like your plan will work every time

No, I don't. I explicitly said it doesn't work every time. Perhaps you should read more carefully. 

 

On 3/20/2019 at 2:57 PM, Ahab said:

And no... I am not making an assumption here at all.

Yes, yes you are. You made an assumption when you said:

On 3/15/2019 at 10:06 AM, Ahab said:

   Try playing against more than one person that knows what they are doing and works as a team.

The assumption is that I have never played against people like that and been successful with my strategy. And that assumption is as false as it is baseless. 

 

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Be careful when posting to not antagonize other people in this thread. Some posts are coming very close to being uncivil, so step back from it.

As for 'Jason was never meant to be difficult to kill', that wasn't how the game was designed. It was originally supposed to be really hard. I haven't played F13 in a while now and it's the irritating kill squads that're the reason. I don't fear them, I honestly have never been killed to this day and I've never hid in the lake when in danger (always knives and lots of distance until Tommy or sweater wearer are dead), but the game is no longer about surviving for a lot of people - to them, it's about either helping Jason or getting a group of goons to hunt him down every single match.

I don't feel strong as Jason even after the rage buff. Personally, I think the rage buff was a step in the right direction but the biggest issue is that Jason's mask still comes off far too soon. I've literally had like 2 Buggzy's, a Vanessa and someone else all swinging bladed weapons at me and even though I blocked every single hit and broke nearly every weapon, my fucking mask still came off.

Quite frankly can't be doing with the same shit nearly every game and it's usually a bunch of Vanessas. 

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On ‎3‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 4:59 PM, Drop.Dead.Cynical said:

No, I don't. I explicitly said it doesn't work every time. Perhaps you should read more carefully. 

    I do read rather carefully... Where exactly was it that you said this?... Could it be...

On ‎3‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 5:06 PM, Drop.Dead.Cynical said:

There have certainly been matches where some escape but more often than not I get the "no survivors" bonus

   Here... in which you say.... "more often than not" you get the "no survivors"?... This is not saying... "it doesn't work every time"... this is saying "more often than not" you get the "no survivors bonus"... and the odds are against you even being able to pull this off against people that know what they are doing... and work as a team... So, once again... not an assumption. The odds are simply against this working ANYWHERE near "more often than not"... and I understand math.... which makes it far from "baseless" or "false".

    I have played with you on a few occasions, and you seem like a nice person... Perhaps I should not have made this particular assumption.

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@Ahab I can't remember in which exact thread I made sure to clarify that my tips aren't guaranteed to work every time (what kind of fucking idiot even needs such a disclaimer anyway?) And i'm not inclined to track it down just to appease you. 

What is TRULY funny,  to me,  is that my initial reply which started this back and forth was more of a backhanded statement directed at all the whiners who complain incessantly that this game needs to be changed for reasons which ultimately boil down to "I suck at this game in its current incarnation and therefore demand it be changed." I can't stand those crybaby whiners. Get better at the game or piss off and play something else. 

Not sure what your issue is with me, bro, but it is getting tiresome. 

Oh and since you speak of odds, and math etc. Show your work: what are the EXACT odds and how did you arrive there. Oh, you don't have actual data? Didn't think so.  

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3 hours ago, Drop.Dead.Cynical said:

this game needs to be changed for reasons 

I agree

 

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18 hours ago, Drop.Dead.Cynical said:

Oh and since you speak of odds, and math etc. Show your work: what are the EXACT odds and how did you arrive there. Oh, you don't have actual data? Didn't think so.  

   If you cannot do math yourself, there is no hope for you.... My grade 10 math teacher asked me to show my work once, and she could not understand how I got the correct answer from what I was showing, even after I explained it to her... so I have doubts you would either. I never had to show this teacher my work again... and the only marks I lost off my grade were from absences.
   The exact odds are a bit different in each match as it is situational... this should NEVER need to be explained to ANYONE. Prove me wrong on this, that is a dare.... I will be using your quote of "didn't think so" every time you try... Actually I wouldn't use your quote for that... I am not that petty... Spiteful yes... Petty no.

   As to why I will not sit here and do the math for you... I can answer that with a quote from you....

18 hours ago, Drop.Dead.Cynical said:

And i'm not inclined to track it down just to appease you. 

   You tracking that down would be WAY LESS WORK than me trying to show you the calculations for this and I am damned sure you would not understand it anyway. The difference is, I am not asking you to track anything down.

   As to what is truly funny to me... changes to this game that people like you attribute to "whiners that should git gud"... are actually trying to bring about the vision of what the game was originally intended to be... Or do you actually think it should remain so easy to kill Jason that a child could do it?... Or do you think the piñata parties were such a blast that they should stay in the game? Jason was never meant to be a bitch... and he still is "a bitch" (If it needs to be explained why he is a bitch to you... then you are part of the problem). More changes are still required, whether you like them or not.

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