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2 hours ago, gyaaft said:

They said they would be "cancelling any unredeemed codes that have been affected by this theft." Is anything less than cancelling ALL of the non-backer codes acceptable in this situation? This just doesn't sit well with me.

If people obtained illegitimate codes that were the result of a theft, then they should pursue action against the seller. All of those codes should be deactivated regardless of the repercussions.

I'm not a backer, but it bothers me that all of the Savini Jason backers just got slapped in the face.

There’s NO chance they will cancel any codes that have already been redeemed. That would be impossible. Because there would be no way to tell if the person who redeemed the code got it through legitimate means or not. Not, when you have people giving away legitimate codes as gifts, etc.  The only thing they can do at this point is to cancel any remaining codes that haven’t been redeemed. But I have my doubts on that because there could still be people with legitimate codes out there that haven’t redeemed them for one reason or another.

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10 minutes ago, Treymaker said:

There’s NO chance they will cancel any codes that have already been redeemed. That would be impossible. Because there would be no way to tell if the person who redeemed the code got it through legitimate means or not. Not, when you have people giving away legitimate codes as gifts, etc.  The only thing they can do at this point is to cancel any remaining codes that haven’t been redeemed. But I have my doubts on that because there could still be people with legitimate codes out there that haven’t redeemed them for one reason or another.

It's not impossible. They could cancel ALL the Savini Jason codes for everyone and simply reissue them to the backers only. However, that would require a lot of work that they are unwilling to do. If there are backers with unredeemed codes they would be issued new ones.

Why are you trying to let Gun off the hook here? This entire mishap is the direct result of incompetence on their end. They need to have some integrity and do the right thing. They need to be true to their word that Savini Jason is exclusive for backers.

It sure is a hell of a lot easier to sweep everything under the rug rather than clean up the mess. At the end of the day, they disrespected the people that believed in them from the very beginning. For me that's the saddest part. 

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2 hours ago, Caliph said:

Yes, I addressed why they said that.

The same way an adult tells a child that refuses to accept no for an answer that there is no more candy knowing full well there is.

You have evidence to support Gun is possibly involved?

That's called speculation and nothing concrete at all.

People are innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

You talk about the speed the issue was addressed and I bet if they took their sweet time you'd swear they avoided it to cover it up.

You want to have a witchhunt and no matter what is said you are going to approach it in that manner.

The e-lawyer is back :lol::lol::lol:

When the evidence is so stacked against you, it's their job to prove other wise. Again, we have evidence that implicates Gun.  Where is yours that proves the evidence wrong?  Don't worry. I'll wait.  

Also no matter how hard you white knight for Gun they won't give you a Savini code :lol:

 

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That article kinda puts things into perspective.

20 hours ago, Charlie Chainsaw said:

Last year, I made a Dr. Pepper cake for my wife. The cake and frosting were mixed with Dr. Pepper. It was very..... moist. 

I've had that before. Very tasty. :lol:

20 hours ago, Ghostboy20 said:

The second sip goes to the hips

What about the third sip?

17 hours ago, Serum79 said:

Why does nearly every thread about Savini turn into a hypothetical bloodbath?!!

If only the game was always like that... B)

11 minutes ago, kohagan said:

Right. I don't know how the codes were generated but people make key gens for cracking software, maybe its something like that. It's all a bit murky. 

Keygens, haven't heard that word in a long time. People still do that?

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Wait a minute....so all the extra codes were made and not redeemed by backers or the gifted party's? The volume that was purchased, seems a tad high. Sorry...I'm not buying the excuse. That's just me. 

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So, what? there was just a ton of codes anyone could access laying around 5 months after rewards were sent?

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17 minutes ago, JPops said:

"Unfortunately, we don’t know who the specific culprit is." Wow, really!? Let's get the authorities involved and see if they can figure it out. Did they have over a thousand temp employees at the time or something? Not buying this, not for a second. You need a bigger broom to keep sweeping thing under the rug.

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9 minutes ago, Fair Play said:

What about the third sip?

There is no third, you have your first sip your hooked and the second sip is more of a big chug DamagedNastyCaribou-max-1mb.gif

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8 minutes ago, Brigadius said:

So, what? there was just a ton of codes anyone could access laying around 5 months after rewards were sent?

That weren't supposed to made...in the first place. 

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29 minutes ago, JPops said:

Maybe this is something you found and maybe it's something you were told to post. Here's the thing, and I will not hold any punches here:

You want to blame a "holiday worker" for codes that would have been inserted into preorder exclusives, or given out at prior to backers. So someone around Christmas had access to something that was 7 months old, 2.5 months if you want to include steelbooks and reserve from Limited Run games.

Now we know several issues arose out of Limited Run games and their "timely" release of preorders and "glue issues" etc. Who explained a lot of this on Twitter? Who has ties to Limited Run Games? May be from the same city, has family there, etc... and out of months of silence, has made frequent appearances to the forums this weekend.. Hell, they may even have family members Berkley.

Crazy enough, there may be two individuals that have been known to laugh at and monitor the sales of "Savini" Jason on EBay. And the person I was formerly referring to, is not one of the two people I am talking about now. Hmmm... go ahead and use PR to reach our to Game Rant and PCGamer... the truth is already out there. Dan... sorry, but act like Jordan Peele and Get Out. Ban me if you want, but at least I'm not that fucking shady. 

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Let's say that there was a lone wolf rogue employee who was generating his own codes to sell, surely there is an electronic trail of this being done that can be traced back to find out who it was that did it. Clearly they would have had to have some sort of records of the codes they had and who was handling them.

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5 minutes ago, Brian76 said:

That weren't supposed to made...in the first place. 

True. But the article says a temp worker brought on around the holidays to keep up with shipping. Codes were sent 5 months before physical launch, so why were there codes just laying around if all were sent already? Why were there extra codes at all? Why can't they figure out who the culprit was. A bet and official criminal investigation would trace the seller real quick. 

Will that happen? Probably not. Why?  Because of shade. 

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12 hours ago, JPops said:

No. No. Absolutely not. They cannot blame December temp workers for theft of codes that were digitally mailed out MONTHS before that. That statement is 100% BULLSHIT.

They can’t seriously expect ANYONE to buy that. Nobody is THAT stupid. 

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All i can say is that based on all information that has come out about this and the timeline from when the backer exclusive codes were to be made and handed out which was just before digital launch things just don't add up and there needs to be a criminal investigation started to look into this further. Theft is theft, fraud is fraud, a crime is a crime plain and simple

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12 minutes ago, Brigadius said:

True. But the article says a temp worker brought on around the holidays to keep up with shipping. Codes were sent 5 months before physical launch, so why were there codes just laying around if all were sent already? Why were there extra codes at all? Why can't they figure out who the culprit was. A bet and official criminal investigation would trace the seller real quick. 

Will that happen? Probably not. Why?  Because of shade. 

I agree with what you said. Non of this makes sense. Also, I highly doubt that something will happen. The rabbit hole...gets deeper. 

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8 minutes ago, Official_Adam_W said:

All i can say is that based on all information that has come out about this and the timeline from when the backer exclusive codes were to be made to handed out which was just before digital launch things just don't add up and there needs to be a criminal investigation started to look into this further. Theft is theft, fraud is fraud, a crime is a crime plain and simple

Because they are clearly full of shit and trying to sweep it under the rug with a nonsensical statement. 

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I can say that i have no idea who was responsible for all of this happening but one thing i am 100% sure on is that Savini Jason and The counselor clothing pack are definitely not Backer exclusive anymore.

Well it was a nice thought even for a little short period that those of us who backed the game to get it made and have those exclusive rewards had something special at one point.

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11 minutes ago, Official_Adam_W said:

I can say that i have no idea who was responsible for all of this happening but one thing i am 100% sure on is that Savini Jason and The counselor clothing pack are definitely not Backer exclusive anymore.

Well it was a nice thought even for a little short period that those of us who backed the game to get it made and have those exclusive rewards had something special at one point.

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F13 sold at least 1.8 million copies.

I don't think the 200 sold here is the breaking point.

Particularly compared to Sony and Microsoft's completely intentional fuck-ups.

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Ask yourself as a CEO, someone clearly stole from your "small team", do you seek them out to protect company reputation, or sweep it under the rug? Question is, did they even steal?

Of course you can't do anything about the codes, that isn't the customer's fault for wanting "Savini" Jason.

Also, on the circumstance they are innocent, you will say you aren't pursuing an investigation to protect the investigation from being known. My, my, what a wonderful web of lies we have spindled.

@Caliph. You still believe Microsoft's was unintentional? Why did the official Twitter page say "..look what's happening at Microsoft stores.." mind you, this was after Xbox one users had been fucked over for over a month after PS4 and PC gamers had received their updates. Were you around back then?

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8 minutes ago, Caliph said:

F13 sold at least 1.8 million copies.

I don't think the 200 sold here is the breaking point.

Particularly compared to Sony and Microsoft's completely intentional fuck-ups.

From a business standpoint the issue is honesty, trust, transparency and reputation. All of these things have been broken with regards to their consumers and these aren't the kind of things that help a business grow and get more people interested in them, it does the opposite. No matter where the blame gets shifted the end result is that consumers have been lied to, not been given consistent, open and honest communication on a number of different things. This will affect them in the long run. I can tell you as someone who is looking at start up his own business if this kind of thing happened to my company you can bet your ass i would have a full scale investigation to find out who it was that committed the crime and have them held accountable. No consumer should be treated the way that all of us have in regards to so many problems that have happened during the life of this game so far.

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2 hours ago, gyaaft said:

It's not impossible. They could cancel ALL the Savini Jason codes for everyone and simply reissue them to the backers only. However, that would require a lot of work that they are unwilling to do. If there are backers with unredeemed codes they would be issued new ones.

Why are you trying to let Gun off the hook here? This entire mishap is the direct result of incompetence on their end. They need to have some integrity and do the right thing. They need to be true to their word that Savini Jason is exclusive for backers.

It sure is a hell of a lot easier to sweep everything under the rug rather than clean up the mess. At the end of the day, they disrespected the people that believed in them from the very beginning. For me that's the saddest part. 

Ok, its not impossible, but its very unrealistic. From your own words, there is no way in hell they will go to the trouble of cancelling all of them and then re-issuing. That’s just not going to happen. I’m not letting anyone off the hook, I think Gun screwed up big time. I’m just being realistic on what they can or will do about it. You guys that think they are going to revoke ALL Savini’s and then reissue to backers only are the same ones that thought that those that got them through the Sony and MS screw ups would eventually have them taken away. Still waiting on that to happen...

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You would think if it's one person doing it they could be tracked down through their eBay account and the PayPal account attached to it. Surely that PayPal account is attached to a bank account somewhere in somebody's name. Call the FBI .

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A screenshot from a piece of the GameRant article

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That is about the dumbest response to the problem I have ever heard. If a theft had truly taken place. “Tracking the culprit” as they say would be extremely crucial & important in order to put a stop to this issue & save the companies reputation or before someone files a class action lawsuit. Specially while most fingers are being pointed at an inside job. Now why would GameRant say such a thing unless this wasn’t already known that gun/Illfonic have no intention of finding out the thief’s identity? Sounds like a pre-planned response they might of gave during an interview or through an email. More importantly is what company discovers a thief is employed with them & chooses not to figure out who it is? Or to even figure out if others are involved?

@TheHansonGoons is correct. The holiday worker blame makes no sense. If I’m not mistaken weren’t backer Savini codes made to order? Meaning created as people donated/backed/kickstarted the game. Would a holiday employee have access to create more codes long after all the codes have been shipped? If so, Then why weren’t the people who accidentally purchased codes for the wrong system helped? I recall them making a statement claiming that nothing can be done to swap out the code for the correct gaming platform. That would indicated they either don’t want to do it or it’s not possible. In the article they claimed they are denying access with the stolen codes. Yet they couldn’t have blocked access to a code a person received by mistake & instead create a new code for the correct gaming platform? They are blatantly lying. They told backers that “all the codes had already been shipped out/emailed & nothing could be done”.

On another note JenTheStrange posted a rant directed at the company months ago & in her rant she had claimed the company had been closely watching eBay’s prices for Savini Jason. This information back then was irrelevant. However now it’s important. Usually when companies stalk prices of other competitors it’s for the sole purpose for trying to beat the competition. Allow them to set the price of the market so that you can then beat their price. So they are clearly aware that several people were selling gameshares of Savini. I also find it highly unlikely that they failed to notice other auctions actually selling the code itself. How did one person in particular elude the company & sell 225 codes for Savini? When in fact they were watching the sales for Savini closely on eBay. We know that a JenTheStrange has/had a close relationship with the developers. So I find it highly unlikely that before this theft had been made known she would lie & claim that they knew about the Savini transactions on eBay.

Here are the screenshot from JenTheStrange rant

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Here’s a direct link Incase anyone feels these are photoshopped

https://mobile.twitter.com/f13_army/status/944473003047505922

Thanks to @Brigadius for the screenshots. These responses from JenTheStrange have since been taken down.

I see her response to very be damaging at this time. There are a lot of answered questions...

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