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35 minutes ago, Bropollocreed79 said:

It's funny.  I actually enjoy the kill animations when I'm mowing through bots offline, and view the propensity of pocket knives akin to building a tolerance for it in a QP match.  Would I prefer fewer of them? Absolutely, but it may be time to rethink the mechanics of PK's.

I wouldn't be opposed to them having a mini-game for a PK, similar to the "Repair Wheel" with the trade-off being once the counselor engages the minigame, Jason becomes immune to melee hits from other counselors.  

I agree.  If they are going to keep the current level of availability for PKs then they need to rethink the mechanics.  That is a great idea actually.  Depending on how many bars you have to hit in the wheel would be dependant on the luck attribute.  Fail 1 and you escape but you take damage.  It would also make perks like thick skin really useful.  Fail 2 or more and the PK doesnt work leaving Jason open to kill you.

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1 hour ago, Corkenstein said:

It's best to just ignore him moving forward.  I already proved he was a try hard in the other thread.  It's obvious he is ignorant and lacks the mental capacity to understand basic or common logic. 

^lol.    

You didn't prove anything..     

Alls you did was  blabber on about ignorance and mental capacity.     Which begs the question..Who made you the Dr Phil of the forum?... :D

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32 minutes ago, HuDawg said:

^lol.    

You didn't prove anything..     

Alls you did was  blabber on about ignorance and mental capacity.     Which begs the question..Who made you the Dr Phil of the forum?... :D

Can you please stay on topic.  The adults are trying to have an actual conversation.  Thanks :)

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49 minutes ago, Corkenstein said:

I agree.  If they are going to keep the current level of availability for PKs then they need to rethink the mechanics.  That is a great idea actually.  Depending on how many bars you have to hit in the wheel would be dependant on the luck attribute.  Fail 1 and you escape but you take damage.  It would also make perks like thick skin really useful.  Fail 2 or more and the PK doesnt work leaving Jason open to kill you.

When Gun implements this, I'll split my cut with you /s

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I look at slashing as a "win-win" scenario.

Jason gets the kill.

Complainers get more salt for their cause.

Everyone wins.

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Offline Bots have helped me become a slash-master, much to the chagrin of the Online Humans that proceed to call me a "shit-Jason" for doing it. Last night, after thwarting all means of escape, landing all but 2 shift grabs and clearing out the entire, teamed up and aggressive, lobby with lil ol' :JasonPt7: J7, they proceeded to call me "shit" and a terrible Jason. WTF? It's not that often to be able to pull that off with him. Where's my cookie goddammit!

I'm not insulted but it's not fun. I don't take pride in besting loud mouths either. And, now that we get the proper points and numbers on scoreboard (which is awesome, btw) it still doesn't remove the disappointment of seeing the bodies go limp and ruining the kill animations when these people quit. 

I don't know. People.....people who need people. Are they really the luckiest people?

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3 hours ago, WashingtonJones said:

Offline Bots have helped me become a slash-master, much to the chagrin of the Online Humans that proceed to call me a "shit-Jason" for doing it. Last night, after thwarting all means of escape, landing all but 2 shift grabs and clearing out the entire, teamed up and aggressive, lobby with lil ol' :JasonPt7: J7, they proceeded to call me "shit" and a terrible Jason. WTF? It's not that often to be able to pull that off with him. Where's my cookie goddammit!

I'm not insulted but it's not fun. I don't take pride in besting loud mouths either. And, now that we get the proper points and numbers on scoreboard (which is awesome, btw) it still doesn't remove the disappointment of seeing the bodies go limp and ruining the kill animations when these people quit. 

I don't know. People.....people who need people. Are they really the luckiest people?

I laugh when people claim you are a shit Jason for slashing. In reality, who is the shittier player? The one that adapts to change by switching tactics in order to win, or the one that sticks to unwritten rules and dies?

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36 minutes ago, CountYorgaVampir said:

In reality, who is the shittier player? The one that adapts to change by switching tactics in order to win, or the one that sticks to unwritten rules and dies?

It's the essence of life

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I played part 8 against quick play players yesterday. I'm getting better with Shift+Grab. I grabbed them all out of knives and epic killed them all. 8 for 8 with part 8. 

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Been reading this thread from beginning to end, and a few people states that slashing against experienced counselors will provoke a stun for Jason. That may be so, but it still damaged them, resulting in a need to use a med spray, which takes a short while to activate before being able to move again. 

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I've got no problem with slash-happy Jasons. Or spawn killers, that's the real verboten style for a lot of players.

I much prefer to get the grapple kills myself, because they look cooler and give me more xp. But if I've gotta swing, I've gotta swing, and if Jason is doing it against me then I just hope I spot it and get away.

People hanging around the exits because they've got a knife in stock are just really asking for trouble and don't have much of a leg to stand on if they get slashed up instead. Often, literally.

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Between Jason being nerfed and the ridiculous amount of pocket knives, shotguns, and med sprays on maps, people are no longer afraid of Jason, and troll him super hard as a result. 

It’s gotten to the point where I actually feel bad for new players playing as Jason, because they end up being trolled by counselors the entire match. That’s the exact opposite of what a Friday the 13th game should be.

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I was replying to another slashing thread that got locked so I'm posting this here without having read any of the posts. Apologies if any of this was already mentioned.

Slashing works fine against bad players running weak perks, but I don't find it as effective against good players. The reason for it is this, if you start slashing a good player they will run away after a couple of hits and spray to recover. Good players are probably running epic medic and thick skinned perks while carrying either 2 sprays and 1 knife, or 1 spray and 2 knives. It can sometimes take 5+ hits to kill someone running an epic thick skinned perk depending on the Jason being used.

Let's look at each scenario using Vanessa as an example:

2 Medical Sprays (4 uses) and 1 Pocket Knife
You shift into range of Vanessa and slash her once. She runs out of range and heals while your shift is recovering. Rinse, wash and repeat 3 more times until she is out of medical spray uses. You would still have to catch and hit her 2 or 3 more times to get the kill. That would leave the total at 6 or 7 successful catches to secure the kill. It would only require 2 grabs to secure the kill in this situation.

1 Medical Spray (2 uses) and 2 Pocket Knives
You shift into range of Vanessa and slash her once. She runs out of range and heals while your shift is recovering. Repeat this once more and she will be out of medical spray uses. You would still have to catch and hit her 2 or 3 more times to get the kill. That would leave the total at 4 or 5 successful catches to secure the kill. It would only require 3 grabs to secure the kill in this situation.

When you factor in missed or juked shifts and the number of times you get stunned it can be a huge waste of time to slash.

Slashing is great if you have a bunch of newbs bunched around the car or someone who tries to fight you in close quarters. Against good players it's really not effective for finishing, though it will get them to scatter if they are smart. If you watch Stoiker Kalei's Jason videos, he never slashes and always goes for grabs. In terms of getting kills against good players, grabs are the most efficient way to go. Even with the current surplus of knives.

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I really need to start recording more of my gameplay.

Playing Jason part 8 recently I believe on Higgins Haven I killed someone fairly early, cops were called and the person I just mentioned comes back as Tommy. I grab him right around one of the cabins north of the main house, got knifed and hear 'suck my cock Jason.'

My response - 'didn't I kill you first?'

Him - 'yeah and I'm gonna be the last one to escape!'

Managed to tag him with a throwing knife and FOR ONCE nailed a pretty nice shift - slash. He's limping...tries to get far enough away to heal, slash...dead (probably 30 feet from the cops). 8/8 mother was pleased.

Decided to ask him what happened to his master plan of being the last and only one to escape. No response and rage quit about 30 seconds later.

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14 hours ago, Yayson said:

Been reading this thread from beginning to end, and a few people states that slashing against experienced counselors will provoke a stun for Jason. That may be so, but it still damaged them, resulting in a need to use a med spray, which takes a short while to activate before being able to move again. 

Which they can of course use during your stun. Then you're back to 0 progress on killing that counselor, and they could potentially have up to 6 sprays with Medic. If they're also running a decent Thick Skin, you could be there a good while before you finally kill them, and that's even if you don't keep getting stunned.

They don't need to take more than chip damage either. A counselor can block your attack, and counterhit before you can even block or do anything yourself. The only way to land safe hits against good players is by baiting and punishing, and use of throwing knives. Slash when counselor has whiffed their attack, and quickly follow it with a throwing knife. Doing this twice will kill them. This is easier said than done against good players however. It's often faster and easier to just grab them a couple of times.

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Too many med sprays has never been an issue when slashing people to death. Can usually manage to slash them again right as/after they spray and it basically negates it.

The only time they're a problem is when the person is smart enough to wait until after you grab them and they use their pocket knife. In that case, they get proper use of the spray. Otherwise, they barely even get an opportunity to use it.

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Personally, I don't like to slash people to death when I'm Jason. I will slash a counselor into critical so I can grab them and finish them off. And I will slash a person to death if they start complaining and talking "slasher" trash when I am slashing them into critical.

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1 hour ago, andtodayidied said:

Personally, I don't like to slash people to death when I'm Jason. I will slash a counselor into critical so I can grab them and finish them off. And I will slash a person to death if they start complaining and talking "slasher" trash when I am slashing them into critical.

If you're taking the time to slash them rather than grabbing, then just go all the way. There's no point otherwise. They will just spray during your pocket knife stun, wasting the time you took to cripple them (and wasting throwing knives if you used them). 

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Had a game last night with a full lobby and four of them being friends (their lobby). I ended up being Jason and slashed them all and Tommy to death. I had one single time where I actually picked up a counselor and got the ol' :pocketknife:, so screw that. Next game, one of the four friends was Jason and when he killed me, he said "that's for all the slashing!". Really hurt my feelings...lol.

Next game, it made me Jason again. As soon as the game started, host disconnected. What a glorious time to be alive...:lol:

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2 hours ago, Gacys Clown said:

Had a game last night with a full lobby and four of them being friends (their lobby). I ended up being Jason and slashed them all and Tommy to death. I had one single time where I actually picked up a counselor and got the ol' :pocketknife:, so screw that. Next game, one of the four friends was Jason and when he killed me, he said "that's for all the slashing!". Really hurt my feelings...lol.

Next game, it made me Jason again. As soon as the game started, host disconnected. What a glorious time to be alive...:lol:

Yeah. That happens all the time. Slash them to limping, so you figure you're good to go for the grab...pocket knife!

At least it doesn't matter because they're usually not gonna get far. But it just proves why you're right for slashing in the first place.

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  Just finished a game playing part 4 Jason, had a hard time catching anyone in the first few minutes, so I went on a hunt for knives and smashed a bunch of windows. I trapped the phone and the nearest entrance to the phone house and after 2 trips to Jason's shack, I put my last trap down there. Only had 5 knives so I went looking for a few more.... and windows, love breaking windows.
   After finding my 8th knife and found no one had even gone for the cars, I went back to the phone house to see what's up. All 7 of them were there.... the fight begins almost ten minutes into the match. You all know how it goes against 7 councilors..... attempted slash, stunned....stunned....slash... stun... stun and so on. Soon enough Tommy is on the scene. It was not until then that I noticed a deb had the sweater, which I thought was strange. The sweater was still there on my last visit and I received no warning after that.
   They did manage to get the fuse in, eventually. But I smashed the box and the battle continued. I don't use combat stance much, but they could not get my mask off. I killed Tommy and sweater girl finally, which left only a Vanessa. With only one player left, I decided to be a nice guy and told that player to fix the box and call the cops to get some extra points for them. Down to no knives, I went to packanack lodge to grab the 2 knives there.
   The player did not even attempt it and time was getting short so I went back to the phone house to make the offer again. The player did nothing. Then the 2 minute warning hit and the chase around the furniture was on. I grabbed her, fully expecting a pocket knife, slashed her to crippled state and grabbed again. Another pocket knife and med spray. Then she ran outside so I hit sense to see if she picked up another knife. She did not, slashed her to crippled state again and grabbed. Another pocket knife. No one else died in the house and not drawers were opened during the chase so there could be no pocket knives in the house. So.... slashed her to death. There were probably many pocket knives and med sprays outside the house where everyone else died, but as I said, I used sense when she left the house, she did not bend over to pick up anything.
   As the game ended the cries of "slasher!' and "you suck!" and so forth went up. I was surprised to not hear it during the game. I thought it was a mature group that could accept a loss. How wrong I was. 
   I do not like having to slash, the kill animations are great. But against more than one competent player at a time..... slash. Against 7 at a time, this should go without saying. But 4 pocket knives and a med spray without picking anything up after the 2 minute warning..... slash. 

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I used to kill everyone easily before the pocket knives in the camps were added. After that patch I struggled to wipe the camp because I relied too heavily on grabbing, and often I wasted a lot of time chasing people who had 2, or even 3 pocket knives, and not just one person. I raged a little... And finally decided to switch my strategy to mostly slashing. 

I throw knives, slash, and slash some more until there are only a few people left, then I start to grab... Once they're set to limp. It's hilarious how people rage and insult me now. It feels a little cheap, but it's the most efficient strategy currently, so... I roll with it. I guess I'm in the Dick Team now. 

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9 minutes ago, Barbara Ann said:

I used to kill everyone easily before the pocket knives in the camps were added. After that patch I struggled to wipe the camp because I relied too heavily on grabbing, and often I wasted a lot of time chasing people who had 2, or even 3 pocket knives, and not just one person. I raged a little... And finally decided to switch my strategy to mostly slashing. 

I throw knives, slash, and slash some more until there are only a few people left, then I start to grab... Once they're set to limp. It's hilarious how people rage and insult me now. It feels a little cheap, but it's the most efficient strategy currently, so... I roll with it. I guess I'm in the Dick Team now. 

Welcome!

People always love to bitch and moan when you find ways to ruin their "fun".

I mean, it's not like it matters that Jason has been nerfed into oblivion and this is the smarter strategy...

I still get hate for doing this. Then I ask them "And how many pocket knives did you have?"...*silence*

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Slashing is just pathetic anymore. To see an entire lobby murdered is embarrassing for the player as Jason, especially if it’s a seasoned player. It shows that you have no tact, skill, or style, you just go to the target and slash out of fear that someone might get away or have a pocket knife. So keep slashing. I’m not mad, just second-hand embarrassed for the lack of well-roundedness.

The last match someone murdered me I was still the last person and the player had to slash me to limp 3 times after I stunned him and slipped away each time. I objectively bested him and he didn’t deserve the kill. Just like the same Jason players that wanna cry and rage-post about getting chain stunned but then turn around and slash people to death. It’s hypocritical. If you don’t like when others exploit game mechanics then you have no right to do so yourself. This guy that cleared a lobby by slashing was SO BAD that it took him to the 2 minute mark to finally catch me a THIRD time with no health spray to slash me in our third altercation. I literally limped away each time and lost him when there were no health sprays around. For me, I’d hate to win at something by exploiting the same move or mechanic, but do you. 

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