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I keep seeing players dying and coming back as Tommy only to RUN to the exit if the cops are called, grab a car someone ELSE repaired and flee. It’s pathetic.

Someone was drown trying to flee in the boat (by themselves when I helped repair it of course) so I stayed nearby waiting for Jason to leave so I could swim out and book it. I noticed a counselor coming over so I seized the moment and went out to the boat. Sure enough, it was f****** Tommy the coward Jarvis trying to sneak off in the boat while 4 counselors were still alive. I got into the boat and tried to drive off without him, but he got on so I drove the boat to the opposite end of the shore and just sat there until he got out. WTF.

Can we please have a new mechanic that determines who is chosen as Tommy? It’s gotten out of control with the level of cowardice, hiding, running past people, refusing to heal limp counselors, stealing cars and escaping, and ditching counselors in attempt to escape. There needs to be a threshold of points before Tommy arrives once he’s called. If a players dies or escapes and has less than 700 points, they have no business being Tommy. Let people who are going to contribute to the game be the hero

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If Tommy leaves before everybody else then you won't be distracted with the chance of them trying to kill you.

I see it as a good thing. It's better to kill Tommy though.

My favorite is when Tommy leaves in a vehicle alone. As Jason, I take it as a compliment when a counselor takes the blue-seater by themselves, especially when it's a Tommy.

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The issue with Tommy is he has no impact.

In Battlefront, having a hero join the battle meant a temporary boost to your side.

With Tommy, he's built to juke and last the night. There's no incentive to not play like a counselor. Tommy's weapon should have been specific to him with a special stun duration on Jason, as well as him continuing to be part of the kill condition. Increasing his speed was a bad move in my eyes. I also think the health spray he spawned with should've been a special item too, one that can only be used to heal others and not himself. Or, Tommy can't heal himself ever. Also Tommy should receive no XP for escaping.

My thoughts on Tommy have changed as he has. I really think he should have a short but meaningful impact on gameplay, as in sacrificing himself for the others to live.

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54 minutes ago, bewareofbears said:

The issue with Tommy is he has no impact.

In Battlefront, having a hero join the battle meant a temporary boost to your side.

With Tommy, he's built to juke and last the night. There's no incentive to not play like a counselor. Tommy's weapon should have been specific to him with a special stun duration on Jason, as well as him continuing to be part of the kill condition. Increasing his speed was a bad move in my eyes. I also think the health spray he spawned with should've been a special item too, one that can only be used to heal others and not himself. Or, Tommy can't heal himself ever. Also Tommy should receive no XP for escaping.

My thoughts on Tommy have changed as he has. I really think he should have a short but meaningful impact on gameplay, as in sacrificing himself for the others to live.

He honestly shouldn’t be allowed to escape. It should not trigger an escape sequence when he escapes and any car or boat with him in on should stop. Players have abused Tommy for too long that now we need to reign him in. In the last update they clarified Tommy’s role, his purpose, and the intention of having him even in the game. Players are aware, but actively choose to misuse him to troll or to assure escape. At this point it’s affecting the gameplay of the other players and Tommy’s ability to escape needs to be removed unless there are no living counselors left on the map. What an easy trigger to program. His ability to escape would only be True if all counselors were killed or escaped. We also still need the ability to vote to boot a player out of an otherwise good lobby with a stable connection. Nothing ruins a lobby more than one or two trolls and/or players working together in private chat. While everyone else is playing the objectives, these fools are ruining our experience and they need to be removed from the lobby, we should have that right. 

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22 hours ago, BeautyNumber2 said:

He honestly shouldn’t be allowed to escape. It should not trigger an escape sequence when he escapes and any car or boat with him in on should stop. Players have abused Tommy for too long that now we need to reign him in. In the last update they clarified Tommy’s role, his purpose, and the intention of having him even in the game. Players are aware, but actively choose to misuse him to troll or to assure escape. At this point it’s affecting the gameplay of the other players and Tommy’s ability to escape needs to be removed unless there are no living counselors left on the map. What an easy trigger to program. His ability to escape would only be True if all counselors were killed or escaped. We also still need the ability to vote to boot a player out of an otherwise good lobby with a stable connection. Nothing ruins a lobby more than one or two trolls and/or players working together in private chat. While everyone else is playing the objectives, these fools are ruining our experience and they need to be removed from the lobby, we should have that right. 

So, what happens when Tommy's driving the last few survivors out? The car just stalls at the exit? 

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On 12/20/2017 at 10:52 PM, bewareofbears said:

The issue with Tommy is he has no impact.

In Battlefront, having a hero join the battle meant a temporary boost to your side.

With Tommy, he's built to juke and last the night. There's no incentive to not play like a counselor. Tommy's weapon should have been specific to him with a special stun duration on Jason, as well as him continuing to be part of the kill condition. Increasing his speed was a bad move in my eyes. I also think the health spray he spawned with should've been a special item too, one that can only be used to heal others and not himself. Or, Tommy can't heal himself ever. Also Tommy should receive no XP for escaping.

My thoughts on Tommy have changed as he has. I really think he should have a short but meaningful impact on gameplay, as in sacrificing himself for the others to live.

It's a little unfortunate, because the vision surrounding the way multiplayer was built didn't really favor someone like Tommy in mind. Since they mention the game is not story driven, the importance of characters like Tommy won't mean jack shit in the game's eyes. For the team, it also mean there's not much climatic value to come with him besides the ability of killing Jason. Only way I can see Tommy's playable role to have such importance and meaningful impact is with a DLC using different mechanics. For Jason X content, I'd imagine this is something they would have to do if your planning to add others like KM-14 or Sergeant Brodski.

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29 minutes ago, Liquid Swordsman said:

It's a little unfortunate, because the vision surrounding the way multiplayer was built didn't really favor someone like Tommy in mind. Since they mention the game is not story driven, the importance of characters like Tommy won't mean jack shit in the game's eyes. For the team, it also mean there's not much climatic value to come with him besides the ability of killing Jason. Only way I can see Tommy's playable role to have such importance and meaningful impact is with a DLC using different mechanics. For Jason X content, I'd imagine this is something they would have to do if your planning to add others like KM-14 or Sergeant Brodski.

I think we're in a situation where hindsight has revealed the flaws with Tommy. It sounded great at the time but the implementation made him just another counselor. He was even freaking out over dead bodies for the first while there.

I don't really know what I'd like to see out of the Jason X stuff. Having a spaceship map after only having the woods is going to be an adjustment. It's odd overall because it requires all sorts of new stuff. Will Jasons still cover traps with leaves in a spaceship? Uber Jason in the woods is fine but Sackhead Jason in space isn't anything I ever wanted to see.

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2 hours ago, Malken said:

So, what happens when Tommy's driving the last few survivors out? The car just stalls at the exit? 

Yes. If Tommy is driving a car, that makes me question what he’s doing driving a car instead of shooting Jason/hitting Jason so someone else can get in the car. If Tommy is driving a car, he either was too chicken shit to fight Jason and let others escape or he was off doing repairs by himself instead of being near the counselors and protecting them. 

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4 hours ago, BeautyNumber2 said:

Yes. If Tommy is driving a car, that makes me question what he’s doing driving a car instead of shooting Jason/hitting Jason so someone else can get in the car. If Tommy is driving a car, he either was too chicken shit to fight Jason and let others escape or he was off doing repairs by himself instead of being near the counselors and protecting them. 

Um, I don't see anything wrong with Tommy repairing or driving; he has maxed stats after all. Which means that his high luck also allows him to start the car the fastest! Now imagine he is next to the car with 3 A.Js and Jason nearby...

And it really depends on the team I guess. If I was Tommy and the rest were only Chads, Bugzys and Vanessas running, fooling around or dancing in a group of 5, there's no point in protecting them, but I would repair instead. On the other hand, if everyone else is Deborah/A.J./LaChappa then yes, I will fight and distract Jason. If the team is balanced and fairly competent, I might also try to kill Jason. It is really situational. 

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7 hours ago, final_gal said:

Um, I don't see anything wrong with Tommy repairing or driving; he has maxed stats after all. Which means that his high luck also allows him to start the car the fastest! Now imagine he is next to the car with 3 A.Js and Jason nearby...

And it really depends on the team I guess. If I was Tommy and the rest were only Chads, Bugzys and Vanessas running, fooling around or dancing in a group of 5, there's no point in protecting them, but I would repair instead. On the other hand, if everyone else is Deborah/A.J./LaChappa then yes, I will fight and distract Jason. If the team is balanced and fairly competent, I might also try to kill Jason. It is really situational. 

You just exposed how you are missing the point. If Tommy is next to a car with 3 AJs, why would he hop in and attempt to start while the others fend off Jason? Tommy should be stunning Jason while the others start the car and take off. Otherwise Jason will just grab them or smash the car as it starts. THAT is why Tommy has no business driving a car. 

Furtheremore, like I said earlier, if Tommy is repairing a car that means he’s not attacking Jason or protecting counselors so what is the point of him even being there? Again, a Tommy that isn’t attacking and confronting Jason is not helping the counselors. Tommy might repair a car, or even install the fuse and call the cops, but at what cost? How many counselors die while Tommy is trying to do repairs to where he ends up being the only one left, it happens all the time.

Bad players use Tommy to repair cars while counselors are limping away and dying from Jason. This ends up to where Tommy drives himself and maybe one other counselor to safety because he wasn’t protecting anyone or distracting Jason by attacking or confronting him. The same goes for Tommy players that come back and try to find or install the fuse and call the police instead of helping counselors. What ends up happening is 2-3 counselors die and Tommy and maybe a few counselors end up escaping with the cops. The purpose of Tommy coming back is not so he can call the cops for himself to escape or repair a car so that he can drive himself away after he let everyone die. 

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While we generally won't pick Tommy up in the car with others on the map, and we do ridicule scaredy cat Tommy's, how Tommy plays is ultimately his call. The irony is when another player gets a turn and their Tommy leaves the first Tommy (who this game is likely slow ass Deb) to die in a "see how it feels" moment. Karma is a thing.

At the end of the day, people will play how they want. Make Tommy so he can't win and watch people simply go AFK because they don't care about the outcome.

This is a matter to deal with as a lobby. Talk about expectations for your group and realize consensus rules. Alternately if you are in quickplay, expect nothing. Strangers don't owe you a thing. Anything they do that helps is simply icing on the cake.

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Three matches in a row where the coward player that came back as Tommy booked it for the exit while 3 and 4 counselors remained. In the last game, I repaired the 2 seater by myself and picked a guy up only to see a girl limping climbing into a cabin. I pulled over and had to go rescue her limping in a cabin I had fortified earlier and placed a trap. As me and the guy I picked up fought Jason it the back I healed the girl only to see Tommy run up and jump in the 2 seater and escape by himself. It’s truly disgusting

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16 minutes ago, BeautyNumber2 said:

??? Don’t @ me with BS. K.

Wow ok. Don't have to be a dick about it. I thought it was a good idea and might help your issue.

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This all entirely relative, IMO, to any given match. I never use Tommy any one specific way. If a battery needs to be installed I can deal with Jason while Deb installs, or I can deal Jason because Buggsy refuses to drop the damn thing so I can install it while he deals with Jason. I'm only going to stick around for so long while Buggsy keeps zapping his fingertips.

There's a lot of ought to and should surrounding Tommy's use but it's subjective. I can escort AJ to the cops but when she decides to go back the other side of the map to finish installing a propeller on the boat when we're the last 2 left?? No, sorry, I'm escaping. 

Help out whoever it is that is trying to escape how you can and just don't deal with stupid.

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On 12/21/2017 at 1:15 AM, BeautyNumber2 said:

I keep seeing players dying and coming back as Tommy only to RUN to the exit if the cops are called, grab a car someone ELSE repaired and flee. It’s pathetic.

Have you considered instead of bashing the coward Tommy, you could applaud a fellow player for picking up his slack?

On 12/21/2017 at 2:54 AM, BeautyNumber2 said:

Nothing ruins a lobby more than one or two trolls and/or players working together in private chat. While everyone else is playing the objectives, these fools are ruining our experience and they need to be removed from the lobby, we should have that right. 

Don't let trolls get under your skin. I've noticed that if you don't acknowledge their antics, they eventually get bored and move on.

9 hours ago, Risinggrave said:

At the end of the day, people will play how they want. Make Tommy so he can't win and watch people simply go AFK because they don't care about the outcome.

 

This is a matter to deal with as a lobby. Talk about expectations for your group and realize consensus rules. Alternately if you are in quickplay, expect nothing. Strangers don't owe you a thing. Anything they do that helps is simply icing on the cake.

A lot of people forget this basic truth. Setting the ground rules before a match helps alleviate the stress of trolls.

6 hours ago, DasMurich said:

 I never use Tommy any one specific way.

 

I agree that Tommy is pretty versatile, and can fit a number of roles, including protector. Sometimes it's not so bad to have Tommy play a different card from his deck. It keeps things interesting. I am not saying being dead weight is acceptable.

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7 hours ago, DasMurich said:

This all entirely relative, IMO, to any given match. I never use Tommy any one specific way. If a battery needs to be installed I can deal with Jason while Deb installs, or I can deal Jason because Buggsy refuses to drop the damn thing so I can install it while he deals with Jason. I'm only going to stick around for so long while Buggsy keeps zapping his fingertips.

There's a lot of ought to and should surrounding Tommy's use but it's subjective. I can escort AJ to the cops but when she decides to go back the other side of the map to finish installing a propeller on the boat when we're the last 2 left?? No, sorry, I'm escaping. 

Help out whoever it is that is trying to escape how you can and just don't deal with stupid.

This is a great point. There has to be a better way to negotiate who is chosen as Tommy and how he receives points because it is presently unsatisfactory. It’s not just an occasional match is the issue, it’s just about every single match

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Basically it boils down to this:

  • The issue isn't the mechanics of playing Tommy, but how some people choose to play as Tommy.
  • So, it's really a people issue, not a game issue.
  • Yet your solution is to make changes to the game in order to fix a people issue.

ok... :huh:

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Also it isn't just players. I was testing out single player and AI Tommy tried to drive the four seater out alone. Tommy's just rotten to the core, no matter how you look at it.

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7 hours ago, Malken said:

Basically it boils down to this:

  • The issue isn't the mechanics of playing Tommy, but how some people choose to play as Tommy.
  • So, it's really a people issue, not a game issue.
  • Yet your solution is to make changes to the game in order to fix a people issue.

ok... :huh:

The issue is certain people exploiting game mechanics, not the people themselves. This isn’t a “people issue,” it’s a game issue. There is a flaw in the fact that the game allows certain players to abuse a game mechanic, in this instance Tommy. People are allowed to play the game as it permits them, therefore this is not a people issue. Just like how certain people tried to constantly team kill in public, the game had to change. From your flawed logic, no game would be able to function. People would sit on invisible railings or be immune from physical damage because it’s the people that is the issue, not the game. Your argument doesn’t hold.

Furthermore, I created a topic to discuss an issue I have with the game so I posted it in the suggestions offering suggestions to the game yet you chime into my post adding nothing to the conversation but trying desperately to act smart. Since you want so badly to correct someone, I just informed you how to correct yourself. You’re welcome. 

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