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JC Halloween vs RZ Halloween

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Which one do you like better? Personally, I don't mind Rob Zombies version, but I have a ton of gripes about it. John Carpenter's version will always be my favorite Slasher film. I wanted to list some of the things that grind my gears about Zombies version.

1. First and foremost, zombie takes aw y all mystery of what made Michael a killer. He made Michael a weak kid with daddy issues and clearly an affinity for animal mutilation. 

2. Does he always need to make his wife strip in his films? 

3. In the original, Loomis describes Michael as having black eyes, the Devil's eyes. Something creepy and mysterious about this. Zombie montages him growing up in the hospital. Makes him seem more mortal. 

4. Do we really need to see orderlies raping a girl in Michael's room? I don't enjoy the shock value of rape scenes. It's cheap, poor taste of thrills have no artistic value.

These are a few off the top of my head that bother me and while I love the original much more. What are your opinions and which film do you prefer?

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Zombie is a hack. Halloween 2 made me swear off ever watching anything he creates. 

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I can’t stand Zombie’s films. Especially his take on HALLOWEEN. It’s pretentious torture porn. 

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Rob Zombie's Halloween was like showing Michael Myers as a realistic character and to be honest, it doesn't work. It just felt off to me when I watched the first one and didn't even bother with the second one.

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Zombie turned Michael into your run-of-the-mill, "I kill because I had a rough childhood" psycho killer background. Sure, that environment can make someone grow up to become an agressive killer, but that doesn't give you The Shape. It's a hell of a lot more terrifying to have this normal kid suddenly snap one night for no apparent reason and then go catatonic, than it is having an angry redneck kid born into a white trash family, who vents his anger by torturing animals.   

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JC's Halloween is in a different league.

I like that RZ tried to do something a bit different, but Michael's 'white trash' back story was cliché. It also took up half the running time and didn't leave enough time to build up sympathy for Laurie and her friends; by the time we get to Haddonfield I didn't really care what happened to her or anyone else. They were all bland supermodel looking types to, rather than everyday looking girls like they were in JCs ... no thanks.

McDowell's Loomis was also very uneven, expert psychologist one minute, silver-tongued shyster the next.

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honestly hate the unrated version of Zombie's Halloween, but i did enjoy some parts of it, i hated how he got the iconic mask in the very beginning of the film, also some of the raunchy dialogue is a bit much. i do however love the cast of this film, all of them do an amazing job, and the return of Danielle Harris to the series <3

 

the original is a classic and has nothing wrong with it,

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The RZ films are watchable but less scary. We have to understand that back to the original, there was a lot of mysteries around Michael and outside the fact that we knew he killed his parents during Halloween 1963, we didn't quietly know why he did that as a kid. And then.... you kind of get by the end of the film that maybe wathever lies behind Michael's eyes isn't human at all... maybe surnatural.... without explicitely telling it... what kind of evil drove a child to kill, turning him into a boogeyman?

 

That's my take on it

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It's partly the producer's fault for the RZ Halloween we got because they kept telling him "Make it more 'Rob Zombie' and he's like 'I don't know what that means!' so he just filled it with stuff similar to his previous work.

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3 hours ago, VoorheesAJollyGoodFellow said:

It's partly the producer's fault for the RZ Halloween we got because they kept telling him "Make it more 'Rob Zombie' and he's like 'I don't know what that means!' so he just filled it with stuff similar to his previous work.

I think for the sequel too if I remember, Malek Akkad said to make Halloween his own and don't be hindered by past versions.

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Rob Zombie's Halloween is actually my third favorite Halloween. My favorite is the original by far. You just can't beat that first one, it's the perfect Halloween. 

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JC's H1 and H2 are and always have been my favorite in the entire series. I love watching them back to back each year, especially in view parties. It seriously feels like one long movie.

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I think RZ missed the point of the original, you have this kid from a seemingly normal family, in a typical suburban neighbourhood that decided to kill his family without motivation. Now that's fucked up and unsettling. It could be the kid next door to you. 

In RZ, Instead you have white trash family and he hits you with the subtleness of a sledgehammer as to why the kids damaged. Even a little bit of sympathy. It doesn't work. 

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I hate Zombie's movie for all the reasons people have already said here. Michael Myers is an incredibly creepy killer because you never really KNOW what's going on with him. (If you ignore Halloween 6 that is). He's this immortal, unstoppable killer that can only be explained as 'he's pure evil'. The fact that his background was so normal, that you can never understand what made him snap, it's a huge part of what makes him scary. And his appearance, simplistic as it is, makes it scarier. He's relatively normal build, just a plain white mask and plain overalls. The Zombie version turned him in to a hulking giant, scarred and filthy to make him look 'scarier', and it just didn't work.

I always thought Zombie's remakes with their Mommy issues and costume design were like he wanted to make a Friday the 13th movie but got the Halloween licence instead... Not that it would of been a good Jason movie either.

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On 10/31/2017 at 1:14 PM, Hudonj said:

The RZ films are watchable but less scary. We have to understand that back to the original, there was a lot of mysteries around Michael and outside the fact that we knew he killed his parents during Halloween 1963, we didn't quietly know why he did that as a kid. And then.... you kind of get by the end of the film that maybe wathever lies behind Michael's eyes isn't human at all... maybe surnatural.... without explicitely telling it... what kind of evil drove a child to kill, turning him into a boogeyman?

 

That's my take on it

 

17 hours ago, Veevleigh said:

I hate Zombie's movie for all the reasons people have already said here. Michael Myers is an incredibly creepy killer because you never really KNOW what's going on with him. (If you ignore Halloween 6 that is). He's this immortal, unstoppable killer that can only be explained as 'he's pure evil'. The fact that his background was so normal, that you can never understand what made him snap, it's a huge part of what makes him scary. And his appearance, simplistic as it is, makes it scarier. He's relatively normal build, just a plain white mask and plain overalls. The Zombie version turned him in to a hulking giant, scarred and filthy to make him look 'scarier', and it just didn't work.

I always thought Zombie's remakes with their Mommy issues and costume design were like he wanted to make a Friday the 13th movie but got the Halloween licence instead... Not that it would of been a good Jason movie either.

I think you both nail it here. The perfect suburban household in a safe neighborhood. Then he kills his sister. The look on the child's face after he does it though: the blank, cold hearted stare. Almost like he wasn't there and didn't know it happened.

The way Loomis describes him and his eyes. His years of therapy and not speaking. Sounded so chilling.

All of these things lead to what makes Michael so creepy, the ambiguity of it all. So many unanswered what's, why's, how's. They even call him The Shape. Complete mystery. 

Now it's another kid with daddy issues... thanks Freud and Jim Morrison.

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