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Which one do you like better? Personally, I don't mind Rob Zombies version, but I have a ton of gripes about it. John Carpenter's version will always be my favorite Slasher film. I wanted to list some of the things that grind my gears about Zombies version.

1. First and foremost, zombie takes aw y all mystery of what made Michael a killer. He made Michael a weak kid with daddy issues and clearly an affinity for animal mutilation. 

2. Does he always need to make his wife strip in his films? 

3. In the original, Loomis describes Michael as having black eyes, the Devil's eyes. Something creepy and mysterious about this. Zombie montages him growing up in the hospital. Makes him seem more mortal. 

4. Do we really need to see orderlies raping a girl in Michael's room? I don't enjoy the shock value of rape scenes. It's cheap, poor taste of thrills have no artistic value.

These are a few off the top of my head that bother me and while I love the original much more. What are your opinions and which film do you prefer?

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Rob Zombie's Halloween was like showing Michael Myers as a realistic character and to be honest, it doesn't work. It just felt off to me when I watched the first one and didn't even bother with the second one.

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Zombie turned Michael into your run-of-the-mill, "I kill because I had a rough childhood" psycho killer background. Sure, that environment can make someone grow up to become an agressive killer, but that doesn't give you The Shape. It's a hell of a lot more terrifying to have this normal kid suddenly snap one night for no apparent reason and then go catatonic, than it is having an angry redneck kid born into a white trash family, who vents his anger by torturing animals.   

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JC's Halloween is in a different league.

I like that RZ tried to do something a bit different, but Michael's 'white trash' back story was cliché. It also took up half the running time and didn't leave enough time to build up sympathy for Laurie and her friends; by the time we get to Haddonfield I didn't really care what happened to her or anyone else. They were all bland supermodel looking types to, rather than everyday looking girls like they were in JCs ... no thanks.

McDowell's Loomis was also very uneven, expert psychologist one minute, silver-tongued shyster the next.

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honestly hate the unrated version of Zombie's Halloween, but i did enjoy some parts of it, i hated how he got the iconic mask in the very beginning of the film, also some of the raunchy dialogue is a bit much. i do however love the cast of this film, all of them do an amazing job, and the return of Danielle Harris to the series <3

 

the original is a classic and has nothing wrong with it,

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The RZ films are watchable but less scary. We have to understand that back to the original, there was a lot of mysteries around Michael and outside the fact that we knew he killed his parents during Halloween 1963, we didn't quietly know why he did that as a kid. And then.... you kind of get by the end of the film that maybe wathever lies behind Michael's eyes isn't human at all... maybe surnatural.... without explicitely telling it... what kind of evil drove a child to kill, turning him into a boogeyman?

 

That's my take on it

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It's partly the producer's fault for the RZ Halloween we got because they kept telling him "Make it more 'Rob Zombie' and he's like 'I don't know what that means!' so he just filled it with stuff similar to his previous work.

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3 hours ago, VoorheesAJollyGoodFellow said:

It's partly the producer's fault for the RZ Halloween we got because they kept telling him "Make it more 'Rob Zombie' and he's like 'I don't know what that means!' so he just filled it with stuff similar to his previous work.

I think for the sequel too if I remember, Malek Akkad said to make Halloween his own and don't be hindered by past versions.

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Rob Zombie's Halloween is actually my third favorite Halloween. My favorite is the original by far. You just can't beat that first one, it's the perfect Halloween. 

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JC's H1 and H2 are and always have been my favorite in the entire series. I love watching them back to back each year, especially in view parties. It seriously feels like one long movie.

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I think RZ missed the point of the original, you have this kid from a seemingly normal family, in a typical suburban neighbourhood that decided to kill his family without motivation. Now that's fucked up and unsettling. It could be the kid next door to you. 

In RZ, Instead you have white trash family and he hits you with the subtleness of a sledgehammer as to why the kids damaged. Even a little bit of sympathy. It doesn't work. 

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I hate Zombie's movie for all the reasons people have already said here. Michael Myers is an incredibly creepy killer because you never really KNOW what's going on with him. (If you ignore Halloween 6 that is). He's this immortal, unstoppable killer that can only be explained as 'he's pure evil'. The fact that his background was so normal, that you can never understand what made him snap, it's a huge part of what makes him scary. And his appearance, simplistic as it is, makes it scarier. He's relatively normal build, just a plain white mask and plain overalls. The Zombie version turned him in to a hulking giant, scarred and filthy to make him look 'scarier', and it just didn't work.

I always thought Zombie's remakes with their Mommy issues and costume design were like he wanted to make a Friday the 13th movie but got the Halloween licence instead... Not that it would of been a good Jason movie either.

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On 10/31/2017 at 1:14 PM, Hudonj said:

The RZ films are watchable but less scary. We have to understand that back to the original, there was a lot of mysteries around Michael and outside the fact that we knew he killed his parents during Halloween 1963, we didn't quietly know why he did that as a kid. And then.... you kind of get by the end of the film that maybe wathever lies behind Michael's eyes isn't human at all... maybe surnatural.... without explicitely telling it... what kind of evil drove a child to kill, turning him into a boogeyman?

 

That's my take on it

 

17 hours ago, Veevleigh said:

I hate Zombie's movie for all the reasons people have already said here. Michael Myers is an incredibly creepy killer because you never really KNOW what's going on with him. (If you ignore Halloween 6 that is). He's this immortal, unstoppable killer that can only be explained as 'he's pure evil'. The fact that his background was so normal, that you can never understand what made him snap, it's a huge part of what makes him scary. And his appearance, simplistic as it is, makes it scarier. He's relatively normal build, just a plain white mask and plain overalls. The Zombie version turned him in to a hulking giant, scarred and filthy to make him look 'scarier', and it just didn't work.

I always thought Zombie's remakes with their Mommy issues and costume design were like he wanted to make a Friday the 13th movie but got the Halloween licence instead... Not that it would of been a good Jason movie either.

I think you both nail it here. The perfect suburban household in a safe neighborhood. Then he kills his sister. The look on the child's face after he does it though: the blank, cold hearted stare. Almost like he wasn't there and didn't know it happened.

The way Loomis describes him and his eyes. His years of therapy and not speaking. Sounded so chilling.

All of these things lead to what makes Michael so creepy, the ambiguity of it all. So many unanswered what's, why's, how's. They even call him The Shape. Complete mystery. 

Now it's another kid with daddy issues... thanks Freud and Jim Morrison.

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I don't hate Rob Zombies Halloween, but it felt too white trashy. It was cool to see some backstory. I liked Danny Trejo, Malcom McDowell was great as Dr Loomis imo. Danielle Harris, Brad Dourif... I didn't like howthe second half of the movie felt like a rushed version of the original movie. I did like the music, I loved Michaels mask, the kills, but it wasn't anything great.

RZ Halloween 2 was awesome up til the point that Laurie wakes up from her dream, the hospital scenes were badass in my opinion and some of my fav scenes from the entire series. The opening was creepy and brutal. The movie falls apart after that. Dr Loomis is a dick, I hate how Laurie is now a bitch, no use of the classic theme music, I don't like Michael's look. I do like the begining, Danielle Harris, and Brad Dourifs wonderful acting, especially when he finds out his daughter is dead. He is a very underrated actor imo.

 

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John Carpenter's version was the boogeyman and evil itself which is why it will always be in the top 5 best Halloween movies. I will say RZ's first Halloween is better then most of the horrible sequels after the first two original Halloween films. I am glad John Carpenter is back on the sequel and ignoring everything after Halloween 2. I can finally say that mess of sequels is non-canon hopefully next year.

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I really wanted to like Rob Zombie's Halloween. I am a fan of The Devil's Rejects and The House of a Thousand Corpses. Unfortunately, his movies have become a one-note joke over the years. His cinematography is usually on point, but he can't seem to write characters anyone can care about, or even remotely feel sorry for. I, like many others, was put off by the backstory. There was no need for it. At least not to the extent that it was portrayed.

The Shape is The Shape! It scared the hell out of me as a kid when I saw the blank look on little Michael's face. If you couple that with Dr. Loomis' description of the treatment, it was terrifying. I hate to repeat what others have said, but giving him that white trash background just cheapened the character. I'm not sure how much studio involvement played in the final product, but I found it lacking.

Zombie's H2? Well that's a whole different can of worms that I am not going to open here.

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Rob Zombie had to destroy the second Halloween movie. He wanted the first one to be a definitive movie, where a person stalks a person and the stronger one overcomes the weaker. Michael was supposed to stay dead. He never intended to do a second one. But the first one did well on the BO so the studio execs said: "Do another one." He declined and insisted that this is his vision. It has to end after one movie. They said: "Alright man, than we will find someone else who writes and a director as well." He wad pissed and asked them that he can write whatever he wants. They let him do it. Why shouldn't they he brought a lot of money to the table. 

RZ sat down for roughly two to for weeks (i think it's been 2 weeks) and wrote the second one. He made it so damn unlikable that no one would ever be able to touch this pile of sh*t again. He succeeded, people hated the second one. It didn't make as much money as the execs anticipated and the reviews were awful. So they closed the franchise again. And now Danny Mcbride took the challenge to bring something fresh into the Halloween Franchise. I'am more than interested what tgat might be. I already despise the idea that it is a sequel that is being pushed between the other movies but will ignore the other sequels after it. 

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John Carpenter’s version for pretty every reason everyone else said. Even though I’m a Jason Voorhees fangirl through and through, I still believe that OG Michael is the scariest slasher icon due to him having exactly zero motives in the original movie as to why he was killing. Sure Freddy Krueger and Chucky are also evil just for shits and giggles, but revenge is tied to both their motives as to why they’re killing in their present forms. OG Michael had no motives for killing, nor did he want revenge for killing. He just did. He was pure evil. Even if Laurie being his sister lessens his mystery, the fact that OG Michael tries so hard to kill her, his niece, and his nephew still showcases how chillingly evil he must be to have no qualms about murdering his own family.

The remake took that away and just gave us: “Michael is only evil because he comes from trashy white trash!”. Much of what made him frightening is wiped away within the first five minutes of the movie where you just feel sorry for him( though the kid that plays Young Michael is creepy as though. He deserves props). And Rob Zombie’s “interesting” style of filmmaking does not plain work with Halloween. 

I do rank the later half of the remake better than 5,6, and Resurrection though. Even if Remake Laurie and her friends are obnoxious as hell, I still find them way more sympathetic than Tina, who I want to punch in the face, Kara, who I don’t give a single shit about or her creepy ass son, and Sara, who is one of the most plastic final girls I have ever seen in a slasher. And I like Annie surviving and the ending. I think on its own, the remake works better on its own than as a remake of Halloween. 

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11 hours ago, LadySansaLannister said:

[A very well thought out post about Mr. Myers]

I am not going to repost what @LadySansaLannister said, but I think every fan of the original feels exactly the same way. I've said it before, I believe Rob Zombie has a great eye as a cinematographer, he is just horrible at developing characters. Especially iconic characters such as Michael Myers. House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects were great for what they were. I just honestly believe he needs to get out of "white trash" mode. Surely, he has some different ideas floating around in that nappy head!

P.S. Stop putting your wife in movies Rob. She can't act, and nobody cares about seeing her naked anymore. :lol:

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On 12/18/2017 at 12:10 PM, LadySansaLannister said:

John Carpenter’s version for pretty every reason everyone else said. Even though I’m a Jason Voorhees fangirl through and through, I still believe that OG Michael is the scariest slasher icon due to him having exactly zero motives in the original movie as to why he was killing. Sure Freddy Krueger and Chucky are also evil just for shits and giggles, but revenge is tied to both their motives as to why they’re killing in their present forms. OG Michael had no motives for killing, nor did he want revenge for killing. He just did. He was pure evil. Even if Laurie being his sister lessens his mystery, the fact that OG Michael tries so hard to kill her, his niece, and his nephew still showcases how chillingly evil he must be to have no qualms about murdering his own family.

The remake took that away and just gave us: “Michael is only evil because he comes from trashy white trash!”. Much of what made him frightening is wiped away within the first five minutes of the movie where you just feel sorry for him( though the kid that plays Young Michael is creepy as though. He deserves props). And Rob Zombie’s “interesting” style of filmmaking does not plain work with Halloween. 

I do rank the later half of the remake better than 5,6, and Resurrection though. Even if Remake Laurie and her friends are obnoxious as hell, I still find them way more sympathetic than Tina, who I want to punch in the face, Kara, who I don’t give a single shit about or her creepy ass son, and Sara, who is one of the most plastic final girls I have ever seen in a slasher. And I like Annie surviving and the ending. I think on its own, the remake works better on its own than as a remake of Halloween. 

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