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On 4/16/2018 at 9:55 AM, CPLhicks31 said:

I knew it! The legend of Jommy. Similar to my group who always refer to Jason as Jackson.

Jommy Tarvis is what some folks in my regulars group started calling him. I'm not certain who started it, but it kinda stuck as the name for a Tommy player who actually plays Tommy as intended and not as a douche. Hence my lead-in in the playbook:  "Do you have serial killer problems? The persistent kind of issue that the application of excessive police force just won’t handle? Is the hero you hoped for not the hero you got? That’s what you get for using brand-name Rambo’s. Try Jommy Tarvis! Twice the killin’ power at half the cost. Jommy Tarvis brand heroism will put that name brand poser to shame! Do you want a hero tougher than a pillow made from scavenged Special Forces berets and stuffed with Sean Connery’s chest hair? More potent than an overdose of Viagra? More effective than the pull-out method after the misfire? Say no more. Jommy Tarvis is for you friends! Just download here for three easy installments of $29.95. But wait there’s more!"

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I use Shelly exclusively as a counselor these days. I play Quick Play matches and I use Shelly as a "lone wolf" repair character. I run a map perk, a thick skin perk, and a motorboat perk. I've had 50 of my 77 boat escapes with this combo. Shelly's stealth makes him superior to Adam in every way as a "lone wolf" character. Shelly is a boat escape champion. I surely benefited from the introduction of the Pinehurst map (because there's always a boat), but the motorboat perk gives you the speed to outmaneuver even Jason VII in the water. Shelly can be a great communicator (excellent at calling Jarvis and the police) and a solid fighter. His repair QTE is easily accomplished. If you're going "lone wolf", pick either Shelly or Fox. Both are serviceable repair counselors and they have the strength to fight the big J.

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Back again, with the first of many Jason videos I've prepared. I will be posting more over the next couple of days. This first video is in response to the many questions I've received about dealing 50% window damage with Jason, as many people are unclear on the method (and rightfully so). Hopefully this will solve the issue for them. Both Offline Jason and Online Counselor perspectives are provided.

Damage values -
Open Window Dive = 0
Broken Window Climb = 10
Broken Window Dive = 20
Closed Window Dive = 20
Broken Glass Damage = 20
Throwing Knife = 30

1. For Open Window Dive and Broken Window Dive, the knife MUST be thrown the moment the counselor is out of the dive animation. If it is thrown too early, you will only deal 30% damage, as the knife will cancel the window glass damage. The animation does NOT end when the counselor is standing, its duration is approx. 4.5s so you must time it correctly to hit the counselor with knife just as they exit the animation, and before they can start moving out of range.

2. For Closed Window Dive, knife can be thrown anytime and deal 30 damage on top of the 20 damage the counselor sustained from breaking the window.

Strategy -
Herd counselors through broken windows by smashing cabin windows and leaving the door barricaded. A non +Destruction Jason will need to deal 5 hits, and +Destruction Jason only 2 hits, for a door to be broken in 1 hit on return. With this method you are blocking counselor entrances to cabins and forcing them to take damage if they intend to enter the cabin. Thereby dealing damage when you are not even present, and if you are present, providing the opportunity for yourself to deal 50% damage which will cripple counselor and necessitate the use of 1 med spray (unless they have Thick Skin equipped).

This is the main method to cripple counselors and waste health resources, and does not disadvantage Jason's pressure as only 1 hit will be needed to break the door on return. For max efficiency use light attack in combat stance vs door (console users should lightly tap R2).

@Methodicalize I know you’ve been referred to this video so you should probably read this post.

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Nice job Tommy.;)

EDIT: Added a link to the front page.

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6 minutes ago, Alkavian said:

Nice job Tommy.;)

Thanks :) 

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On 4/26/2018 at 7:08 AM, Tommy86 said:

Back again, with the first of many Jason videos I've prepared. I will be posting more over the next couple of days. This first video is in response to the many questions I've received about dealing 50% window damage with Jason, as many people are unclear on the method (and rightfully so). Hopefully this will solve the issue for them. Both Offline Jason and Online Counselor perspectives are provided.

Damage values -
Open Window Dive = 0
Broken Window Climb = 10
Broken Window Dive = 20
Closed Window Dive = 20
Broken Glass Damage = 20
Throwing Knife = 30

1. For Open Window Dive and Broken Window Dive, the knife MUST be thrown the moment the counselor is out of the dive animation. If it is thrown too early, you will only deal 30% damage, as the knife will cancel the window glass damage. The animation does NOT end when the counselor is standing, its duration is approx. 4.5s so you must time it correctly to hit the counselor with knife just as they exit the animation, and before they can start moving out of range.

2. For Closed Window Dive, knife can be thrown anytime and deal 30 damage on top of the 20 damage the counselor sustained from breaking the window.

Strategy -
Herd counselors through broken windows by smashing cabin windows and leaving the door barricaded. A non +Destruction Jason will need to deal 5 hits, and +Destruction Jason only 2 hits, for a door to be broken in 1 hit on return. With this method you are blocking counselor entrances to cabins and forcing them to take damage if they intend to enter the cabin. Thereby dealing damage when you are not even present, and if you are present, providing the opportunity for yourself to deal 50% damage which will cripple counselor and necessitate the use of 1 med spray (unless they have Thick Skin equipped).

This is the main method to cripple counselors and waste health resources, and does not disadvantage Jason's pressure as only 1 hit will be needed to break the door on return. For max efficiency use light attack in combat stance vs door (console users should lightly tap R2).

@Methodicalize I know you’ve been referred to this video so you should probably read this post.

Man! Great stuff, I swear your knowledge is spot on with this game! Thank you very much, while I do the TK through the window (if I have one) I never considered the window damage aspect, I smash them of course. But, I never though to compound the damage like that. And the info on door hits is known to me, but again I had not considered to leave them standing to force them into the window assault! That Video will help my Jason game in a profound way, and any novice could gain immensely from that knowledge. Thank you for taking the time to figure that out, and to verify by testing it. And most definitely for sharing with us!

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10 hours ago, Redrum138 said:

Man! Great stuff, I swear your knowledge is spot on with this game! Thank you very much, while I do the TK through the window (if I have one) I never considered the window damage aspect, I smash them of course. But, I never though to compound the damage like that. And the info on door hits is known to me, but again I had not considered to leave them standing to force them into the window assault! That Video will help my Jason game in a profound way, and any novice could gain immensely from that knowledge. Thank you for taking the time to figure that out, and to verify by testing it. And most definitely for sharing with us!

Thanks man I appreciate that a lot! Always good to see people making use of the videos, I will be posting more shortly. :) 

EDIT: One other thing I forgot to mention. Counselors will typically window dive into a cabin with even just 1 hit left on the door, and the reason for this is because there is actually no visual indicator of door “health” past the halfway point. Meaning that a door which is only half broken (3 normal Destruction hits) looks exactly the same as a door with only 1 hit remaining.

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@Tommy86 , I have a question.

Sometimes I can hit counselors with my weapon through the window. I manage to do this with Part IX´s weapon the most. Some don´t work at all. But this doesn´t work all the time somehow.

Could you please shine some light on this for me?

But your last tip is the shit , dude!

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28 minutes ago, The Wolf with that Toast said:

@Tommy86

Sometimes I can hit counselors with my weapon through the window. I manage to do this with Part IX´s weapon the most. Some don´t work at all. But this doesn´t work all the time somehow.

There are three different animation sets (profiles/groups), which carry a certain amount of hit detection tendencies with them. The hit boxes for the weapons actually do seem to vary a little bit, despite having the same swing profiles (within each of the 3 groups). Often how effectively you can make contact with a counselor's hit box depends on which type of swing you do with Jason (light/heavy), where you are positioned when you swing, what weapon swing profile you have, and what animation a counselor is in when you attack. There are quite a few variables to consider.

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2 minutes ago, Alkavian said:

There are three different animation sets (profiles), which carry a certain amount of hit detection tendencies with them. The hit boxes for the weapons actually do seem to vary a little bit, despite having the same swing profiles (within each of the 3 groups). Often how you can effectively make contact with a counselor's hit box depends on which type of swing you do with Jason (light/heavy), where you are positioned when you swing, what weapon swing profile you have, and what animation a counselor is in when you attack. There are quite a few variables to consider.

Ok , Thanks! So I shouldn´t use it over a throwing knife?

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5 minutes ago, The Wolf with that Toast said:

Ok , Thanks! So I shouldn´t use it over a throwing knife?

Depends.

I like the group profiles for the machete/shears/pig splitter/Fireman's axe. If a counselor dives into a window, I'll do a light attack to break the window while they are trying to get up and then hit them with a knife. Sometimes I'll toss a knife at a closed window BEFORE they reach it so it breaks and they have to climb/dive through it and take damage (or go elsewhere). In some cases you can nail them with the knife again (after it recharges) before than can get clear of a window.

I'd mess around on bots if I were you figure out exactly what type of swing works best with your preferred Jason weapons to hit the counselors. Bots aren't great at getting out of the way and will give you plenty of opportunities to figure out what works best for you to do what you want.

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1 minute ago, Alkavian said:

Depends.

I like the group profiles for the machete/shears/pig splitter/Fireman's axe. If a counselor dives into a window, I'll do a light attack to break the window while they are trying to get up and then hit them with a knife. Sometimes I'll toss a knife at a closed window BEFORE they reach it so it breaks and they have to climb/dive through it and take damage (or go elsewhere). In some cases you can nail them with the knife again (after it recharges) before than can get clear of a window.

Yeah , I do that sometimes too even if I could have easily hit them directly.

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