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  1. 8 points
    "PJ's delivered in an Uber". What about PJ's delivered in an Uber, by Uber Jason? I'll stop posting this now, it's still at the 'I wonder how many people like it, I hope they look and find it funny' stage lol.
  2. 4 points
    The end of all future content for Friday The 13th: The Game was a hard blow for all of us. The official statement from Gun Media, released to the press on June 11th, revealed that the lawsuit had in fact affected the game, forcing the developers to cancel all future content; forever. This news immediately put the game in a state of limbo, with the majority of the player base believing this to be the final nail in the coffin. I disagreed with them at the time. I don’t anymore. While the developers also stated that they would continue to the game bug fixed and maintenance updates, as well as keep their online servers alive, most players speculated that the end of the game’s patches and servers would arrive in th next few months. This is not good for any of us. The truth is: once those servers die, the game will almost immediately follow suit, leaving those of us who are still loyal to the game with nothing but memories. I do not want this to happen. But it’s going to at some point. Which is why the developers need to introduce local matches. I’ve been working with this idea for a while now, and I feel like it would work well if implemented. Allow me to explain: 1. The Local Match option will replace both the Online and Private Match options in the main menu. The Offline Bots mode will be merged as well. Clicking on this option will immediately send players into individual lobbies, where they will function as the host of the lobby. 2. All of the unlockable Jason Voorhees variations, camp counselors, grab kills, slasher weapons, perks, skins, and emotes will be available in this game mode. However: backer, physical copy, and purchasable content will remain locked (unless previously obtained). 3. The hosts are allowed to select the map, adjust the rain settings, and pick which player will be Jason. Other players can be invited to their lobbies, and can play the game alongside them. This is similar to a private match, however, there is one major difference. 4. The hosts are able to add and remove bots, allowing them to account for missing players in their lobbies. This will allow them to have full lobbies when playing with friends, or even when playing on their own. The bots can be selected to play as Jason, which means this will also serve as an offline counselor mode. 5. The bots can be customized in the same fashion of a normal player, allowing the host of the lobby to determine their level of difficulty, counselor and Jason selections, kills, weapons, perks, emotes, skins, and clothing. All other types of content that the host has paid for can be used as well. With this option added to the game, players will have the opportunity to play it years after its servers have shut down, and will allow them to keep the ultimate Friday The 13th experience with them forever. Local Matches need to be added.
  3. 3 points
    My friends and I have been trying out something a little different just for a change of pace and so far, it's pretty fun. We made our own version of Paranoia Mode. Essentially this is a private match with as many unknowns as possible. We put everyone in party chat to get rid of the voice chat ID on screen and to make sure everyone can be heard at all times, including Jason. Everyone in the lobby has the same player and Jason selected (random/random works too) and when the match starts, you don't know who is playing as Jason. No one is allowed to look at the status screen (honor system). You have to be careful with what you say because Jason is in the same chat as everyone the entire time. Everyone is encouraged to play as many mind games as you can get away with. Jason might chat like he is a counselor or you might chat about an objective that you haven't even seen yet. We had a dead guy in the lobby keep chatting like he was Jason and did such a good job, everyone though he was Jason till the final status and score cards popped up. He was the first person killed and then was spectating Jason the rest of the match. We took it one step further this past weekend and everyone played with their sound muted (honor system again). Chat was still on, but all in game music and audio cues were off. No Jason music. No failed repair pings. Very creepy and allows for tons of jump scares. One guy in my group insisted I come here and share, so here we are. It's pretty fun and I'm always open to new ideas to make it better. Anyone is welcome to join us if you'd like to try it out. We will usually run a bit on the weekends, afternoon/evening time - eastern US. (PS4: Verontis) We are doing normal quick play most other nights. It's not for everyone, but it's something different. Try it out and let me know what you think.
  4. 3 points
    I'd like to see an event where there's like an 1000% increase in Sacred Branch spawns. C'mon Gun, let's have some fun! @GunMedia_Ben @wes @Randygbk @ShiftySamurai
  5. 3 points
  6. 3 points
    I couldn't resist Had to slap this together. Granted it may not be quite as funny as the 'Far Farquaad' one or the 'Black Jack Black playing Blackjack' one, but hopefully it'll get a laugh out of a few people lol. (Yes, I made this)
  7. 3 points
    Still logging in every day, still reading and modding, still posting almost every day. Nine times on Monday. Still here, man For this thread, I simply think my fellow mods have said it all and I didn't have much fresh to add apart from my Likes. The bad news from a month ago got a lot of people riled up. Naturally...if people didn't care, they wouldn't be coming here. Some were dismayed but have rallied. Some found it too big an obstacle, or a final straw, to continue. A handful already had axes to grind anyway. It's people, and people are different. A heightened environment like that is going to make everything magnified and a whole bunch of frustration is around. I can't undersell how much of a ramp-up in activity there's been over this past month, compared to the previous year or so I've been a mod. I can understand why it's happening. I keep it in mind for my own moderating, trying to balance some leeway for people. I also keep in mind that moderating is always a position where you're there to get shot at some times and some will always be unhappy with you simply because you're in that position. So long as the conversations and discussions keep on flowing in a productive way, a forum is fulfilling its purpose.
  8. 2 points
    Who wants to bet a final content update will be coming? My guess is we might see some scantily clad PJs possibly delivered with an Uber. If they were ever gonna release any more content they have been holding back, now is the time. Will it quell the rebellion? Doubtful, but it might at least quiet it a bit. I honestly don't expect much if anything, but this seems like the last opportunity to unlock any content that was already in the build before the content deadline. So, here's to hoping.
  9. 2 points
    Pretty simple. Before we knew what 7 or 8 perks were actually good and mattered all around. Some of us probably used perks that we thought were cool at the time but realized later they served no real purpose. For me My Dads A Cop - While it was cool that there was a perk that allowed the cops to come faster if you called...nowadays its really simple...you call the cops by way of the Jason player being incompetent or the Jason player literally has too much to deal with at the phone box and that's how they get called. Start With The Map - I don't remember the name off the top of my head, but I remember I used to use this perk early on and while I still pick up maps inside the kiosk or drawers. Using this perk doesn't serve a purpose anymore, though if Grendel came out, I could see myself dusting it off again. Start With Firecrackers - I remember feeling like I had to have a defensive item to start, but with other perks being much more valuable, I stopped using this. Start With A Walkie - I used to think this was so key, especially in beta/early launch because I felt like with proximity based communication, this would come in handy. Nowadays I don't bother with them and of course they came out with the non vocal method of communication, dancathon aka 'emotes' as the excuse to cater to people who didn't want to use a mic for things other than trolling. Start With A Bat - For the same reason as firecrackers, I thought it would be good to have a defensive item to start, but other perks much too valuable What were yours?
  10. 2 points
    Everyone we should at least be happy that we still by patches I mean come on gun media is doing the best they can to make us happy let's make them happy by not saying where's jason x where's grendal map ok
  11. 2 points
    Had they stuck with the original plan and not delay content for a stupid engine update that made the game worst, we could have had Uber and the Grendel ready. It was a 5 month gap of waiting. Uber and Grendel probably would have been ready before the lawsuit hit. And the engine upgrade to have dedicated servers could have also seen the light since this apparently has no effect on the lawsuit announcement. Man, talk about bad luck and setting their priorities wrong. The only thing that would have been missed is the single player content. That does not even compare to missing the mark with Uber and the Grendel. I only play single player to get the unlockables. Never will I touch it again.
  12. 2 points
    The walkie one and the tent one. When I was new and the game was still scary, if I was the last one alive I'd hide in a tent. ? Believe it or not it worked out for me a handful of times and I survived the night. Those poor spectators...
  13. 2 points
    Pray to the Sacred Branch for things to get better. It's what I do.
  14. 2 points
    I have a very good friend in sales... been in sales a long time. Top sale man everywhere he goes. You know how he achieves this? He is totally honest about his product, with EVERY potential customer. What the product is does not matter. Many sales men will lie about the product to achieve sales, and think they are doing good... he does WAY better than them, everywhere he has worked, with every product he has sold... without fail. Always number 1 salesman, everywhere he has ever worked... go figure. Do not try to justify dishonesty... that is a ridiculous statement. When you (or anyone else for that matter) is caught in a lie, the liar's reputation suffers for it. This is just a fact. I do not trust the word of ANYONE who justifies telling a lie for ANY reason. When trust is lost, it is incredibly hard to regain it. The game is still selling in case you are wondering... they would not be putting up dedicated servers for consoles just to shut all servers down a month later. How ridiculous of a waste of money would that be? There is a lot of negative publicity around this game right now and most people out there cannot even read beyond a headline... and most headlines are misleading clickbait. Some truth could help polish a tarnish reputation... just from being honest. Yes honesty can come with some backlash, but people prefer honesty in general to being lied to... or silence amid accusations which is pretty much as bad. Bridges can be repaired... even under fire. @Tommy86 Noble goals... I like that. I think you are correct, some of us hardcore players (and hardcore fans of the franchise itself) are not going anywhere... How many will be left is another matter.
  15. 2 points
    *sigh* You’re probably right. But I would still like to put my ideas out there and hope for the best.
  16. 2 points
    @Kodiak I've spotted this image in several threads now. I have to ask you to please stop spamming the forums. Post your image once in a relevant thread and all users will be able to view it there. We don't need several posts for the same image. Thank you. (jokes)
  17. 2 points
    I still use preparedness because knowing where an objective is when you have a part can mean the difference between life and death.
  18. 2 points
    Tinker. I thought it made repairs easier, not faster (i.e. harder for most characters). I still use "start with a map" on Jenny for her no-fear build that is viewed as her best build at the moment. Also you don't always find a map right away. It's also very helpful to see where everyone immediately spawned, so you know what cabins are going to be looted and you can create a path where you are most likely to find unlooted cabins.
  19. 2 points
    It is my birthday today. I'm pretty happy!
  20. 2 points
    I quit watching these guys a while ago because I felt they were entirely too focused on this game, almost using it as their cash cow in a sense. I watched their recent podcast where they address the community and felt I had to start this thread. 1) correct me if I am wrong, Microsoft provided free dedicated servers before version 4.14 was even around. See 2013. So how have the requirements changed so drastically that made this system upgrade absolutely necessary? On top of that, you are believing the playerbase for this and the game itself is more than a Call of Duty(which runs on dedicated servers on Xbox)? Make sure you have researched and understood requirements and not just taken someone's word for it. Not to mention we still dont have the servers! We have heard they were coming for nearly a year now. Then a few months back it became "had to upgrade". Correct me if I am wrong again as my memory is fuzzy, but didn't Ben say they had an outside company working on it? How are they still paying for that? Coincidental that time and some other events line up with emphasizing no new content, and pushing upgrade, and the date NHA director said F13 Killer Puzzle found out their deadline. When too many things fall into place that even simple folk put together, there is usually a reason. 2) They definitely called us, the community, toxic. So as a consumer, I am supposed to accept a company that has unfulfilled backer promises, steelbooks that had stickers and lack of original art, Savini jason scandals left and right, and now the deadline question. Why should we not be upset or why should we be like "oh hey, that game that has been buggy for a year and has had entirely too many issues, and too much shadiness happening behind the scenes, we should give them yet another chance"? I appreciate they have a good relationship with the devs, but seriously, what do they want? Us to continue hum drum conversations about balance when console players barely finish QP games? Act like shit is cool? Sorry, but sometimes plethora of shit culminates and you have a mountain. That's where this game is. That's how most of the community feels about Gun and Illfonic. Sorry. GUN is lazy on their end and illfonic was inefficient for the job. Sorry. Hope that doesn't get edited out. Had Gun not been lazy, the LR release would have gone off much smoother, Skype interviews would be done, questions would have been answered in a timely fashion. etc. If they didnt have so much to hide, they would have remained transparent. 3) as soon as the lawsuit deadline was presented, the ethical thing to do is notify your community. They continued sales of a game they knew would be incomplete and broken, not to mention has limited life in it. A dramatic comparison would be selling a puppy with Parvo. Get attached to it and love it, then realize its life is limited and almost over. 4)bringing up the salt mines, which hasnt had much effect on the quitters, yet people I play with that still have dashboard errors from memory leaks, or other connection issues end up falling into the low tier due to circumstances created by the game - literally something the community forecasted. 5) Hey Nick and Riley, Gun ever mention EDITED in any interviews to you? Probably not as they continue to cover that whole shebang up. Ben knows. Dan knows. Randy knows. What was ever done about it? 6) a lot of recent negativity and outbursts stems from reddit, forum posts being removed or edited against the poster's will, manipulating it to serve what they want to be said. Most of the thread with Mr. DiSanti was posts about censorship and no one really attacked him, yet he called us toxic and said he was met with vitriol. I guess people expressing their honest criticisms is being "entitled" and "toxic". I think its great you acknowledged Illfonic was in over their head with this title, but wasnt Gun as well? Who knows how project planning went for this and how much Illfonic was rushed due to poor project planning. Besides, name 1 solid game from either company before this. You can't. Both companies had some of the worst reviewed games and failed projects under their belts. Most of us knew the French official Facebook was not official, nor did we ever read it(face it, most of us couldn't), so it probably isnt so critical to attack that site. Besides, anyone can go into the game assets and downloading the IdE run it independently and find out what is what.
  21. 2 points
    Well never let it be said that I'm not a man of my word. I was wrong. I get passionate about this game, and I get tired of everyone bashing it at every single turn. Yes the devs have made mistakes along the way, but it doesn't deserve anywhere near all the hate that it has gotten. Even when the devs give people good news they get flooded with comments like "Your game is shit" or "You guys don't know what you're doing and the game is dead" or "You guys never lived up to all your promises, I want my money back" and I just get tired of hearing all that. It was clear that this whole story was just put out there for no other reason than to attack the devs and it's not fair to them and it's not fair to ACTUAL FANS of the game. When I say "actual fans" I mean the people that still enjoy playing this game for what it is, and not the people who have stopped playing the game months ago but just enjoy coming back and posting hate comments about a game that they don't even play anymore. Anyways, sorry for the long rant.
  22. 2 points
    Honesty is the best policy... for better or worse, at least it is honest... It can still sting like a hot knife that slipped (I have stories you would not believe)... but it is honest at least. No one can force any one to answer a question... and demanding answers does not get answers... But neither should any of us be condemned or made to look like assholes for asking a question. Whether it be a good question or bad question is not the point. We ask questions when we do not know something that we want to know... being condemned for asking a question makes those that condemn the questioner look worse than if the answer was a lie... but the silence is almost as bad as a condemnation of the people who asked questions. Neither does any of this mean our questions will be answered... but it would be nice... even if it stings a bit. I am sorry to hear you may be leaving the forums, we have lost too many already. I will check out your guides when you post them... you always had good advice about tactics and mechanics. @Slasher_Clone That whole "Come on in, the water is fine!!"... Well... Its a trap. There is some freaky lookin' guy with a hockey mask out there waiting to drown our sorry asses... I think he is also wearing water wings.
  23. 2 points
    I've still been searching ancient tomes about the prophecy of a golden haired hero using the ultimate weapon to defeat a cursed evil. From what I can tell so far, only the Sacred Branch has the powers to cleanse Jason's soul and put him to rest for good. The Chad is the true hero, even if he doesn't know it or refuses to accept his forgotten lineage that his Grandfather rambles about to him. So yes, the Sacred Branch should definitely be able to knock Jason down or stun him. It's just it should be stronger in the hands of The Chad. Hell, Sheriff Garris knocked Jason down with it in part 6. Sadly he gave up on it, which lead to his death. I think I remember that, but I'm gonna have to go back to the challenge so I can revel in that greatness once more. The Chad will hopefully be able to regale the followers of the Sacred Branch about this upcoming Friday the 13th where he will have his showdown(s) with Jason being guided by the Sacred Branch. It had been foretold over the ages about the destiny and fate of the Kensington line in what seems to be their never ending battle against evil. This time it is Jason Voorhees. The Chad will have to overcome his fear and confront Jason once and for all. Edit: You guys made my night. Thanks!
  24. 2 points
    Yeah I agree with what you’ve written in this post. Particularly this part since you’re correct that the silence does them no favours. More info could be for the better or possibly worse, but out of the two scenarios I think providing any info they can is the more ethical one and would show they are at least trying to communicate. But they have really addressed very little, whether that’s because they can’t or simply don’t care to, I just don’t know. Based on their past interactions with the community, I lean more towards that they don’t care. Anyway I’m not here demanding answers, I’m just putting forth the questions that have been in my mind since the announcement, and I think they are legitimate ones that people who do care enough to look into it have a better starting point. My time on the forums and with the game is nearly up, I will be releasing a series of final guides and that will be it. I don’t mind leaving a few bread crumbs on this topic in the meantime since it has understandably struck a chord with me too.
  25. 2 points
    @JasonSlasher Welcome to the forums. As you can see a lot of people have a lot of bitterness toward the developers relating to this game. Don't let it get to you. A lot of people on these forums are happy. I am very happy with the experiences I had with this game and the people I met. I am the type of person who doesn't like to focus on the negatives with this game, and see more of the positive. I personally don't lose sight at the fact that this is just a video game. The moment it's no longer fun, I will stop playing.
  26. 2 points
    And the bar drops that much lower.
  27. 1 point
    Sure, and I’m Queen Berhenziah. Now tell me another one. (I kid I kid. I’m not expecting much tbh).
  28. 1 point
    It would be nice if they would release a hotfix for the PC party bug. It's only for PC and they don't need to go through the BS certification. This way I could at least play with other friends. I haven't touched online play since this bug was introduced a month ago. Otherwise I couldn't care less what they do for the 13th.
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  31. 1 point
    I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.
  32. 1 point
    They might do nothing. That’s the truth.
  33. 1 point
    @The Wolf with that Toast Thanks bud! Uber uber mask on uber uber Jason
  34. 1 point
    The developers have stated that this is a passion project. Allowing people to continue to use their creation after servers are down should be important to them. But you may be right. This game mode could be played alone, which means that “host-quitters” could be avoided. It can also be played with friends who I would hope would not quit on each other. I have grasped the concept of no new content. This is simply a re-working of public and private matches.
  35. 1 point
    Right, I've read through this and here's the problems. First, if you have issues with what some of the people from Slash 'n' Cast have said, then please speak to them directly about it. Posting all about it here is essentially airing dirty laundry in public; we don't need to see it if it's a private concern between you and someone else. Secondly, dedicated servers are still coming. I've got no idea what's happening with them, but if Gun says they're coming, they're coming. Got no idea whether it's an easy thing or a hard thing because I'm not a game coder or server hoster, but they've said the servers are coming. Just going to have to wait for more updates on that as they come. Third, once again we're getting into this 'scandal' business and more defamation of Gun and IllFonic. People don't see the entire picture and have instead started piecing together puzzle pieces that look like they fit together, but probably don't. Until you get solid proof (and I mean literal proof, not someone's interpretation of events), what you're doing is essentially making things worse. If an official statement is not issued, then nobody has the rest of the jigsaw puzzle pieces. You've got a few, you don't have them all. It's not about hiding anything, it's about them keeping things classified that should remain classified. They can't share every little bit of information with you, especially on matters that are internal. A bank wouldn't tell you how much money is in it's vault. I get all the frustration and the usual 'we want answers' type stuff, but our hands are tied. We can't make the developers or publishers share information if they don't want to, and people getting angry because they can't get their questions answered is going to just make our jobs as mods harder. We can't allow a thread like this to stay open for the reasons I just listed.
  36. 1 point
    hey since you are new here, you should check out the rules, http://forum.f13game.com/topic/3-friday-the-13th-the-game-forum-rules/
  37. 1 point
    You actually answered your own question. It's gotten old with people coming in and la-de-daing about all these additions they would like. It's doubly obnoxious if you know they can't do anything and you still complain. I came into the thread hoping for some interesting conversation. I hoped for too much.
  38. 1 point
    How in the world did I miss you lol. We are on the same page. I don't begin to presume I understand the punishments and how and why they are administered. In fact, I don't wanna get caught up in all that. I get that the people are a little tense with everything that's going on, and the last week has been quite a mess. As I've stated before, the "people vs. the mod/dev" mentality needs to stop. The mods are under a lot of pressure here. The devs are under just as much pressure. Under no circumstances am I taking up for or judging either party. At the end of the day, they are as human as we are. We all have good and bad days. Sometimes a bad day makes someone lash out or post something without thinking. Once that's been done, you can't take it back. That holds true for mods, dev and the rest of us. Not every action taken by the mods is a bad thing. How we interpret their actions and respond to them determines how those actions look to other people. I'll share a little story with everyone. Once upon a time, I was one of the many posters who used to read through the forums like everyone else. Now and then, I'd see a douple or triple post. I'd use the report function, as that was what I thought it was there for. I thought I was helping to make the forums a bit better. It turns out I was incorrect. A mod sent me a PM. They sent a friendly message as to the true use of the report function. I respected their call. I didn't argue, get upset or break bad on them. In that instance, I had made the mistake. I cannot speak for the experiences of anyone else as far as mod interaction. I just know I had the one, and it went fine. Still no warning points to this day. Since then, I've had no other encounters with a mod. I've made over 1000 posts here, and sometimes you're gonna have a difference of opinion with someone. That could end up getting a mod involved. It might be resolved peacefully, or it could escalate. Here's a little something in the rules of the forum: Member Expectations Towards Admins/Moderators: Users are more than welcome to provide complaints/comments geared towards the moderating team. We are here to make this forum as fun and enjoyable for every single user, and will do everything to keep things livened. That does not mean users may threaten, harass or engage in trolling rhetoric to get their point across. A respectful attitude goes a long way, for both parties. I think that last statement has slipped through the cracks in a lot of instances. Everyone, try to be a bit more understanding to one another, even if you don't agree with them. Now, get back to killing one another in-game as Jason. ?
  39. 1 point
    @JasonSlasher my advice is to have fun with the game all you want. For the most part I ignore people on the forums due to the sheer amount of vitriol and hyperbole in their posts. I am not sure which platform you are on, but joining a group can make finding fun people to play with much easier. There are a few Facebook groups you can join as well which will help you meet new/fun people to play with. I am still happy because I met some great people and continue to play this game with them and a few other games as well. The "loss" of one map and one Jason isn't an issue to me, but as you will no doubt see on here... it is a big issue to some. Good luck... and have fun.
  40. 1 point
    Rightly or wrongly, I think people are afraid of posting because of the Mods, and the amount of locked topics. And frankly a bunch of people left because they didn't like whats happening, and some of those people were the best posters, and they had enough. It freaking sucks that it has happened, and i really dont think we will see a bounce back here to what it was.
  41. 1 point
    i wish that there could be a live stream on that panel
  42. 1 point
    I really wish they would concisder running a finishing fund on Kickstarter and hiring a mercenary crew to wrap everything up. I knownthey said their code would take time for a new group to figure out, but why not just factor that into the scheduling and cost? Its up to the fans to support it. So let us do that.
  43. 1 point
    You're always so over dramatic about everything. You're like a try hard QP player who seems to not enjoy the game, yet still wants to play it in QP. First off, theres no such thing as Jason players picking Packanack or Crystal Lake in QP. Thats not how shit works. (Jason is random and the host picks the maps) Second, for a Jason player to tell you to SHUT UP and put on hypochondriac and get over it.. Must of been due to you complaining about med sprays after Jason killed you. So i agree. SHUT UP and get over it...? What do you expect? And seriously, No one should be hitting Jason through a door. So dealing with it is simple.
  44. 1 point
    If this glitch happens , when you played as Retro-Jason...….. You see freaking Retro-Savini! I love it.
  45. 1 point
    They deleted my post on this subject. Looks like they can't take honest criticism.
  46. 1 point
    Offline bots intro scene is now horrifically out of sync. Four matches in a row ended less than 5 minutes in because the host quit, and the 5th one timed out on the loading screen. Two more went smoothly, but then the 8th one literally froze my PS4 and forced me to just shut the power off and restart it. Why the fuck lllFonic thought getting into game development was a good idea is beyond me, but clearly they were mistaken.
  47. 1 point
    And it all turns out to be bullshit. Killer Puzzle confirmed the cutoff date was actually January. Not June. Coincidentally, Gun announced in January that they wouldn’t be working on any new content because of this engine upgrade. That would take 3+ months to complete. Then, right after the engine upgrade, they claim they just found out about the content deadline. But now we get confirmation that they knew MONTHS ago. Why would their deadline be different than the other game? It wouldn’t be.
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  49. 1 point
    we should really do something, like someone in reddit said: "I think we should all message Kotaku, Polygon, IGN, and other gaming outlets so they can cover this. Its pretty shady for Gun to do something like this and blatantly lie to its consumer base. This is borderline false advertisement."
  50. 1 point
    Final release sucks. Devs didn't finish game yet, but they start create new game - very responsible and wisely. I'll never buy a game from you, butchers
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