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Part 6-Freddy vs. Jason Theory

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Ok, so this is going to be a pretty long winded post about a silly theory that came to me today watching P8. I know this is ridiculous, and I am aware they are just movies and the changes and differences between movies are about trends, new filmmakers and money. It is still fun to have these weird conversations sometimes though.

This theory will deal with parts 6-10 only. Let us assume for the sake of argument, parts 1-5 happened just as we saw on screen, plot holes and all.

What if….

Part 6 was a Freddy induced nightmare Tommy was having. That would explain the supernatural elements, including all of the weird morphing and what not. Jason acts just like a nightmare, impervious and relentless.

What if, Freddy was trying to regenerate himself by using Tommy’s fear of Jason. It backfires in the end because Tommy was able to take control of the dream at the end and win. Freddy was just too weak to make it happen.

Next we have Tina, a poor girl who witnessed the very accidental death of her father when she was young. Freddy finds her and tries to use her fears and anxieties. In her dream, as she feels responsible for her father’s death, she manifests that as powers. Once again, we have a rambling Jason who seems to be all over the map, moving in and around for no real reason other than to make things worse for Tina. In the end, she too can make it out because Freddy is weak, and he allowed her to have her dream power.

Part 8. It all had to be a damn dream. That explains the dystopian New York with the toxic waste, the indifferent New Yorkers that are straight out of the mind of a small town person.  This also explains how a Jason that was dissolved in a bath tub in Hell’s Kitchen can be reborn later. Plus, the girl nearly drowned as a child, coupled with the Jason myth explain the dream state where she sees child Jason and hears all the child like things from Jason. Fuck the elephant noise. So small town girl with trauma issues dreams of that trauma thanks to Freddy, yet she wins in the end.

Part 9 is the fever dream of a soon to be father that freddy tries to manipulate. It has to be right? The running themes are parenthood. At the end, Freddy has had enough and pops up to end it, and this time he decides to research for ten years on how to bring Jason back from part 4’s death. This is FvJ. Of course, we also have the newly reunited couple walking off in to the sunset as well  

Part 10 happens after FvJ. That explains the whole Jason is a manifest body thing, and not on the turnpike between New York and New Jersey.

Ok, the ties that bind them all and suggest dreams.

Each Jason is vastly different from the last. This is because they are dream interpretations of the dreamer. He is the Jason they expect from whatever story they heard.

Each one has an almost idyllic ending. Look at the first 4. The survivors were messed up gibbering mounds at the end. Look at the ending of 6. Tommy is better and he gets the hot babe. Part 7, dad saves the day. All is forgiven and the new loves carry on. 8, the love birds are reunited with their loyal dog. 9 isn’t idyllic per-se, but that is because we see the end from Freddy’s point of view, though there is the sunrise thing. More dream imagery. 

The music is all weird, even the sounds of ki ma. It is as if the people dreaming don't actually know Jason, with 6 being the closest, and 8 being the furthest off. It is like a game of telephone as each psyche puts their own spin on things.

Anyway, that is my long drawn out Freddy versus Jason was 6 movies long theory. Poke thy holes… or not. Feel free to laugh at me too.

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I echo what Rex said. Very interesting topic for discussion for sure! At least you try to address the whole silly almost completely unique Jasons from each installment of Zombie Jason theater.

The only things that stand out to me as out of character is that Freddy would want to start with Springwood and Elm Street in particular. Not some other town or location where the chance someone would think some guy with a razor glove was sending a monster after them in their dreams. Remember he flipped Jason's on switch while pretending to be Mommy with the explicit direction to go to Elm Street and kill the naughty kids there in hopes that It would incite people to think Freddy was back and doing the killing, therefore they would be afraid and bring him back to full power. What benefit does he really stand to gain from influencing some random person with a flashback nightmare who likely had never heard of him nor would even think that it was Freddy doing the killing? Freddy gains power from people being afraid of Freddy, not murders of whoever.

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56 minutes ago, RAGNAR0K N ROLL said:

I echo what Rex said. Very interesting topic for discussion for sure! At least you try to address the whole silly almost completely unique Jasons from each installment of Zombie Jason theater.

The only things that stand out to me as out of character is that Freddy would want to start with Springwood and Elm Street in particular. Not some other town or location where the chance someone would think some guy with a razor glove was sending a monster after them in their dreams. Remember he flipped Jason's on switch while pretending to be Mommy with the explicit direction to go to Elm Street and kill the naughty kids there in hopes that It would incite people to think Freddy was back and doing the killing, therefore they would be afraid and bring him back to full power. What benefit does he really stand to gain from influencing some random person with a flashback nightmare who likely had never heard of him nor would even think that it was Freddy doing the killing? Freddy gains power from people being afraid of Freddy, not murders of whoever.

I'm sure there is a way to explain that. With @Definitelynotjason's permission, I'll try to work on a theory about that. Actually, I think anyone interested in this could come up with some ideas.

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2 hours ago, RAGNAR0K N ROLL said:

I echo what Rex said. Very interesting topic for discussion for sure! At least you try to address the whole silly almost completely unique Jasons from each installment of Zombie Jason theater.

The only things that stand out to me as out of character is that Freddy would want to start with Springwood and Elm Street in particular. Not some other town or location where the chance someone would think some guy with a razor glove was sending a monster after them in their dreams. Remember he flipped Jason's on switch while pretending to be Mommy with the explicit direction to go to Elm Street and kill the naughty kids there in hopes that It would incite people to think Freddy was back and doing the killing, therefore they would be afraid and bring him back to full power. What benefit does he really stand to gain from influencing some random person with a flashback nightmare who likely had never heard of him nor would even think that it was Freddy doing the killing? Freddy gains power from people being afraid of Freddy, not murders of whoever.

Perhaps Tommy and Tina were at a sanitarium near Springwood. I am not as fmailkiar with Nightmare franchise, but isn't that compatable with some of the story line? I suppose even Renee might be there, though I admit that is a bit of a stretc.

The weakened Freddy has to start with the traumatized. Thus Tommy, two time Jason killer at that point qualifies. I would think Tina, observer of Dad's death would be pretty traumatized as well. Renee less so. That would show a cycle of Freddy being stronger each time, as the trauma gets less and less.

Who knows what is up with Steven, who I think would be our part 9 POV. Maybe he was almost normal, yet rather emotionally compromised over becoming a young dad?

Freddy was still too weak to manifest as himself, but as each one feeds fear, and that powers him up to meet his end goal.

1 hour ago, Rexfellis said:

I'm sure there is a way to explain that. With @Definitelynotjason's permission, I'll try to work on a theory about that. Actually, I think anyone interested in this could come up with some ideas.

By all means add to, change or discuss away.

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