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MAYBE ON RELEASE DAY WE CAN HAVE A SPECIAL CELEBRATION ON THE FORUM.WITH QUESTIONS AND AWNSERS LIVE.AND AN UNVEILING OF THE EXTRA FRIDAY THE 13TH 8 BIT NES STYLE GAME.MAYBE EVEN A SAMPLE PLAY OF THE NES STYLE GAME.NO REFUNDS ARE NEEDED WEVE ALL SEEN SO MUCH PROOF OF THIS GAMES DEVELOPMENT.

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A guy on Twitter was arguing over a refund, which he claims he didn't receive but the official Twiiter said was processed. The official Twitter account posted a photo that contained his full name and location (but not his address).

 

I'm wondering what kind of issues can arise from that since it's technically private information? Should we be concerned our info will be made public if we're too annoying for whoever runs the Twitter, etc? They eventually blocked the guy but is it even legal to post someone's info from what would be considered a private purchase/donation?

 

Honestly curious.

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A guy on Twitter was arguing over a refund, which he claims he didn't receive but the official Twiiter said was processed. The official Twitter account posted a photo that contained his full name and location (but not his address).

 

I'm wondering what kind of issues can arise from that since it's technically private information? Should we be concerned our info will be made public if we're too annoying for whoever runs the Twitter, etc? They eventually blocked the guy but is it even legal to post someone's info from what would be considered a private purchase/donation?

 

Honestly curious.

 

Hmmm depends. If the information was available on his twitter already it shouldn't be much of a problem. It would only become a HUGE problem if they released his home address or other high risk information.

 

Saying hes Dick Clark of Orange County California or whatever doesn't exactally mean much to most folks. That would only become a problem if someone doxxed his ass. And if you know how to do it you can doxx just about anyone... so theirs not much risk.

 

For example ANY person playing a P2P game (like Dead By Daylight for example) is more at risk of being doxxed than he is.

 

Also lets be frank. Instead of an email this man decided to air his laundry on twitter. Hes willing to argue over it on a public forum instead of a private channel. Most folks would have more Respect / Common sense than that.

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Name and location can be used for a huge amount online. You can find out someone's exact location with that information fairly easily. Could be used to troll/bully/harass people via social media, could be used to falsify documents which could get them jailed, could be used to simply spread rumours.

 

"Oh hey, you guys hear about <name> from <place>? I heard he was a kiddy fiddler"

"Oh hey, you guys see that picture about <name> from <place>? Yeah, someone posted a conversation they had with him on Facebook and he said he sells drugs and guns and stuff"

 

Usually people wouldn't do these kind of things unless they're specifically targeting their victim, but there are some a-holes out there who do those kind of things for fun. 

 

In terms of the law, I'm not sure. I should know as I have two degrees in forensic science, but unfortunately that didn't really cover the laws of people's personal data - only if any crime has been committed. 

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Hmmm depends. If the information was available on his twitter already it shouldn't be much of a problem. It would only become a HUGE problem if they released his home address or other high risk information.

 

Saying hes Dick Clark of Orange County California or whatever doesn't exactally mean much to most folks. That would only become a problem if someone doxxed his ass. And if you know how to do it you can doxx just about anyone... so theirs not much risk.

 

For example ANY person playing a P2P game (like Dead By Daylight for example) is more at risk of being doxxed than he is.

 

Also lets be frank. Instead of an email this man decided to air his laundry on twitter. Hes willing to argue over it on a public forum instead of a private channel. Most folks would have more Respect / Common sense than that.

I think the guy was being a bit of a dick but his private info is his private info, right?

 

Name and location can be used for a huge amount online. You can find out someone's exact location with that information fairly easily. Could be used to troll/bully/harass people via social media, could be used to falsify documents which could get them jailed, could be used to simply spread rumours.

 

"Oh hey, you guys hear about <name> from <place>? I heard he was a kiddy fiddler"

"Oh hey, you guys see that picture about <name> from <place>? Yeah, someone posted a conversation they had with him on Facebook and he said he sells drugs and guns and stuff"

 

Usually people wouldn't do these kind of things unless they're specifically targeting their victim, but there are some a-holes out there who do those kind of things for fun. 

 

In terms of the law, I'm not sure. I should know as I have two degrees in forensic science, but unfortunately that didn't really cover the laws of people's personal data - only if any crime has been committed.

 

Yea, those are some of the things I wondered about. You can find almost anyone nowadays if you have a little information. Just seems like a slippery slope.

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Name and location can be used for a huge amount online. You can find out someone's exact location with that information fairly easily. Could be used to troll/bully/harass people via social media, could be used to falsify documents which could get them jailed, could be used to simply spread rumours.

 

"Oh hey, you guys hear about <name> from <place>? I heard he was a kiddy fiddler"

"Oh hey, you guys see that picture about <name> from <place>? Yeah, someone posted a conversation they had with him on Facebook and he said he sells drugs and guns and stuff"

 

Usually people wouldn't do these kind of things unless they're specifically targeting their victim, but there are some a-holes out there who do those kind of things for fun. 

 

In terms of the law, I'm not sure. I should know as I have two degrees in forensic science, but unfortunately that didn't really cover the laws of people's personal data - only if any crime has been committed. 

 

Yea that's called doxxing. And it can happen to anyone anywhere at any time.

 

With just your IP address someone can find your State and Town, a little more effort and your Name and home address are easy pickings.

 

With that kind of information someone can find your facebook, twitter and other social media accounts and begin to harass you. Ordering things in their name like pizza, spamming them with porn,  ect. Its a shitty thing to do.. but some folks are assholes like that.

 

Someone on DBD had it happen to them because they got into an argument and the other person got pissed and reverse IPd them.

 

Just saying someones name and location is generally fairly useless to a doxxer, they can find that themselves in about 10 seconds.

 

Things like address would be crossing a line tho.

 

 

I think the guy was being a bit of a dick but his private info is his private info, right?

 

 

Yea, those are some of the things I wondered about. You can find almost anyone nowadays if you have a little information. Just seems like a slippery slope.

 

Depends on how seriously you take online privacy. A name and state are fairly mundane, a town is a bit worse.. most times you order something the receipt will list of casual information like that without much worry.

 

As for an incident like this, blizzard and a few other companies do similar things when folks openly dispute problems. It covers their ass in some forms.

 

If you want TOTAL secrecy from a company I have bad news for ya. XD

 

Some governments now allow companies to sell your personal information to others. So interested party's can literally buy quite a bit more than casual information like this. They can litterally say O HEY LOOK.. this guys into ____ porn! Lets sell him ____.

 

Nothing online is private anymore :\

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A name and general location is pretty easy info to obtain. A simple IP trace will provide such information. In addition to that, kickstarter displays that basic information if you click on their user name. He could have used an alias if he wanted on kickstarter but general information geographically is within your profile.

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A name and general location is pretty easy info to obtain. A simple IP trace will provide such information. In addition to that, kickstarter displays that basic information if you click on their user name. He could have used an alias if he wanted on kickstarter but general information geographically is within your profile.

 

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A name and general location is pretty easy info to obtain. A simple IP trace will provide such information. In addition to that, kickstarter displays that basic information if you click on their user name. He could have used an alias if he wanted on kickstarter but general information geographically is within your profile.

Yea, that makes sense. I saw he used his real name on his Twitter anyway, just not his location.

 

Yea that's called doxxing. And it can happen to anyone anywhere at any time.

 

With just your IP address someone can find your State and Town, a little more effort and your Name and home address are easy pickings.

 

With that kind of information someone can find your facebook, twitter and other social media accounts and begin to harass you. Ordering things in their name like pizza, spamming them with porn,  ect. Its a shitty thing to do.. but some folks are assholes like that.

 

Someone on DBD had it happen to them because they got into an argument and the other person got pissed and reverse IPd them.

 

Just saying someones name and location is generally fairly useless to a doxxer, they can find that themselves in about 10 seconds.

 

Things like address would be crossing a line tho.

 

 

 

 

Depends on how seriously you take online privacy. A name and state are fairly mundane, a town is a bit worse.. most times you order something the receipt will list of casual information like that without much worry.

 

As for an incident like this, blizzard and a few other companies do similar things when folks openly dispute problems. It covers their ass in some forms.

 

If you want TOTAL secrecy from a company I have bad news for ya. XD

 

Some governments now allow companies to sell your personal information to others. So interested party's can literally buy quite a bit more than casual information like this. They can litterally say O HEY LOOK.. this guys into ____ porn! Lets sell him ____.

 

Nothing online is private anymore :\

This is true.

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Before reading any further, please note that *I don't want a refund*.

 

This post is to help clarify things for those (specifically on social media) who have asked for a refund.

 

From what I've seen, the general reply is that the game developers refuse to refund your money and your payment is considered a "donation" to development.

 

Kickstarter and Backerkit both allow for projects to refund your money. Your request is simply being refused.

 

There's some debate on whether your "donation" is actually a purchase if you're recieving a physical or digital item but that's a post for a different day...

It took a two word google search to come up with the fact that Kickstarter, in it's own FAQ, doesn't provide refunds. I highlighted areas that contradict your statements.

Can Kickstarter refund the money if a project is unable to fulfill?

No, Kickstarter doesn't issue refunds. Transactions are between backers and creators directly. Creators receive all funds (less fees) soon after their campaign ends.

Who is responsible for completing a project as promised?

It's the project creator's responsibility to complete their project. Kickstarter is not involved in the development of the projects themselves.

Kickstarter does not guarantee projects or investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. On Kickstarter, backers (you!) ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it.

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It took a two word google search to come up with the fact that Kickstarter, in it's own FAQ, doesn't provide refunds. I highlighted areas that contradict your statements.

Can Kickstarter refund the money if a project is unable to fulfill?

 

No, Kickstarter doesn't issue refunds. Transactions are between backers and creators directly. Creators receive all funds (less fees) soon after their campaign ends.

 

Who is responsible for completing a project as promised?

 

It's the project creator's responsibility to complete their project. Kickstarter is not involved in the development of the projects themselves.

Kickstarter does not guarantee projects or investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. On Kickstarter, backers (you!) ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it.

 

Yea, yea- I know. It would take less than a minute search to see that refunds were offered, no questions asked, by Wes when they delayed the physical release.

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For me, it's all about nostalgia. The beta already had me sold. I own tons of games from various eras, and would not give them up, even if they're not the greatest. It's all in the eye of the beholder, I guess. However, not only is this looking fantastic, and a blast to play, but also has my involvment in it's creation, even if by a small part, and for that I am eternally humbled.

 

I can sympathize with what Ben has just said, being a small group, dealing with these issues. After all the franchise is historically HUGE, as is it's fan base. You can't win for losing either way you go. So they are taking the road less traveled....that of developers actually giving a shit. That alone speaks volumes on integerity. People will always bitch and moan, but not everyone has the guts to stand up for what's right, especially when money is involved.

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I just was checking out twitter and hobbs is talking about blocking people asking for release date and/or letting people know about the count down to release or delay. Im guessing its just twitter. but i like all the guys at gun but hobbs he is rude and not customer friendly. I hate seeing business owners who treat customers like that.

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On 3/4/2017 at 0:03 PM, Caliph said:

I suggest you do some research on the game Star Citizen. Poor guys are two years past their playable product deadline, all refunds have been closed and money is still being taken with continual promises of more to be added. The thing is that one of the biggest selling points to that game was multiple players in a ship and Elite:Dangerous has that coming in the next expansion. Not to mention Elite is already well developed with billions of star systems to explore and tons of other stuff including exploring planets. You have zero to worry about with this game I assure you. Everything has been on the up and up, it's a quality product, the teams heart is into the game and everyone one of my friends that played the beta absolutely loved it. From that you can deduce the game will be a success particularly from word of mouth after release.

Haha. I backed Star Citizen for over $20,000 and I understand what the wait is like. To CIG's credit they've slowly dribbled out functionality and it's catching up to Elite: Dangerous more and more, it's just stupidly far behind schedule. (I backed Elite Dangerous too -- it didn't suffer from ridonkulus scope creep like Star Citizen, so it was able to deliver the goods way faster.)
 

For F13, I *know* it's already in a good playable state since we've seen the beta with 90% of the needed functionality already playable. I'm not going to get salty over it being a little bit delayed. On the whole I am happy with how things are proceeding. =)

Regarding refunds. IMHO anyone who backed it on Kickstarter should not get a refund. It was a donation. Many of the backerkit orders, however, were exclusively called a "preorder", so it's more debatable if they should be refundable if the goods are delivered late. I like Steam's refund policy of letting you play X number of minutes and still getting a refund. Gun obviously can't do that but since codes have not been sent out, they could just refund and not give the code.

So in short I say let the whiners get their refunds *if* they paid for a "preorder" and not as a campaign pledge.

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On 2/25/2017 at 10:46 AM, GrifterWolf said:

I am glad that was so clear and concise Ben. This project has been an amazing endeavor that we fans have been wanting for over 35 years and didn't even know it. I for one am expecting the love and quality expected from fellow fans of the franchise and nothing less. I have complete faith in this project and the beta no matter how short it was, felt like a breath of... Addicting fresh air teasing what is to come and I keep jumping to defend it lol. Here is to hoping for some phenomenal news soon. Cause even us most stalwart of believers needs our fix!

 

On 2/25/2017 at 11:59 AM, Freddy kruger said:

 

 

Best way i have seen yet to say quit bitching love it

Couldn't agree more. I get so sick of the entitled attitudes. Believe it or not, crowd-sourcing is a buy-in to an idea. There can and are plenty of examples where projects and ideas fail and you are out the money. It's an investment and not a strict "purchase" in the sense that we usually think of them.

Pre-orders, on the other hand, are a guarantee of a product.  That still doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to get it when you want it, but only when it is actually finished. Like I tell the wife all the time, there are many things in life that you don't have to like, but have to deal with. Waiting for a game to come out is one of them. And let's be honest, on the scale of things that are important and life-impacting. This is pretty low on the priority list. If it's high enough on the priority list for you to lose sleep over, you might want to re-examine your priority list.

That being said, super psyched for it. It'll be out when it's out, and not a minute before.  

On 2/27/2017 at 9:25 PM, bewareofbears said:

The Backerkit thing is interesting considering it's advertised as pre-order and you are literally buying things, not being rewarding. The larger bulk of the $2 million comes from Backerkit. I'd probably honour a Backerkit refund to avoid any issues but maybe they know something I don't.

Right, and that's what Ben said. To use his words, "It's a different ball of wax". He stated kick-starter was the investment / fan backing component that did not involve any promise of product. I think you're misconstruing his statement.  

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On 4/19/2017 at 6:19 AM, JPops said:

A name and general location is pretty easy info to obtain. A simple IP trace will provide such information. In addition to that, kickstarter displays that basic information if you click on their user name. He could have used an alias if he wanted on kickstarter but general information geographically is within your profile.

This. Your name and place of living is generally public knowledge that anyone who even remotely wanted it could find in public records. Until they start posting people's SS#'s or people's credit card info I don't think there is anything illegal about it.

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