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Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll... oh and SLAUGHTER! [a discussion of Representation in game.]

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So, Friday the 13th, we love it, obviously if we didn't we wouldn't be here.

 

But one of the things that I was considering the other day while hyping this game up to a friend of mine, is the topic of Sex in the context of F13.

 

Sex, Drugs, Rock and Roll, those things are totally important to the franchise. Just as much as the slaughter our favorite maniac dishes out, but there's some considerations that I'm just a bit concerned about, especially in the sex aspect.

 

Now we know Sex will be part of the game, devs have said it's an option before [likely to provide buffs to the players who engaged in it, and as a call to action for Jason]. But how deep does this go?

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking about how porntastic things will be, because obviously it won't be super graphic [we ARE still shooting for an M rating, not AO.] but in 2016/2017 [even in a game taking place in the 80's] I'm curious about representation, primarily of the GLBT variety.

 

Now I'm not asking for trans characters, since Trans was kinda...well not exactly very common in the 80's[at least not in representation]... but let's be real, at the very least the GLB part of GLBT was still pretty much rockin even back then. And while we don't really see it in any of the films, I was curious if the devs had even considered Same Sex sexual encounters.

 

I'd assume, for the event to trigger in the first place, to players would have to be in the same cabin or near the same object, and essentially queue into the action, meaning it would have to be consensual for both players [a button prompt: Press X to agree to sex.] which would set the animation into motion.

 

Since that's likely how it's set up, I'm wondering if the devs considered allowing two male, or two female characters to interact through this prompt.

 

Now I know for some this is a bit of a controversial topic. And homosexuality tends to be the butt of some horror jokes [just look at A Nightmare on Elm St. 2.] But in 2016/2017, in an age where we have same sex romance options in various games like Mass Effect and Skyrim and the like. Are we going to keep on that bleeding edge, or are we going to revert entirely to the 80's level of no overt representation [which would personally, be a shame, since it would likely take two consenting players to even start the option.]

 

I'd just like the community, and developer's thoughts on this, if possible.

 

On another note... has anything been discussed about recreational drug use in game? 

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There's no word yet on how sex and nudity will come into play. Personnally, I was thinking that perhaps at the start of the game you would see your counselor coming out of the shower, or skinny dipping in the Lake, which would account for the nude 3D models of the counselors.

 

Therefore, I don't think there will actually be sexual encounters in the game. When the characters were just horror movie archetypes, I thought it was more likely, because an archetype isnt a person, it's a canvas that you could embody to play as you wish, but now the counselors have names, soon bios that describe their story, so I don't think sexual encounters are likely. Imagine the bio for the Bookish girl talking about how shy and reserved she is and then having her sex it up with any guy or girl in sight during the game haha.

 

However, if there are sexual encounters, I would like it to be an option, when both players agree to it. Like it or not, some people are still uncomfortable or even against same sex relationships, so if I put myself in their shoes, I wouldnt like it if another same sex counselor cornered me and prompted a sexual encounter haha.

 

Besides, Friday the 13th did have it's « gay » moments as a franchise. Friday the 13th Part 7 was nicknamed Fri-gay the 13th because of how many gay men were participating in the movie and Brenda from Part 1 always gave me a vibe lol. She reeea-lly wanted to play strip monopoly with Alice haha  ;)

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Just because the actors in the film were gay in real life does not mean there was gay activity in the films. People are trying to make things gay when theyre not. Dont get me wrong, I myself am not gay, but if thats how you are,more power to you. But I dont think there will be any gay representation in this game.thats simply not what the friday the 13th movies were.

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Just because the actors in the film were gay in real life does not mean there was gay activity in the films. People are trying to make things gay when theyre not. Dont get me wrong, I myself am not gay, but if thats how you are,more power to you. But I dont think there will be any gay representation in this game.thats simply not what the friday the 13th movies were.

 

While true, F13 is based in "reality". Gay people exist in reality, so to entirely ignore it, is backwards thinking.

 

All I'm wondering is if there will be an option, for two consenting adults, who decide to play two characters of the same sex, to be able to initiate such an interaction through the contextual menus should sex be a viable gameplay option. 

 

It might NOT be an option, in which case, the point is moot... but again, sex is an important part of the franchise... and if you really want to tie it into the whole "Sex=death" horror cliche, it makes those characters even more likely to get it, because Sex AND a considered minority [because let's be honest, Minority's ALWAYS eat it in horror films.] which is twice the pain in a horror film, you're totally going to get it. LOL.

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First:

 

Sex won't be during the match... they are already aware of Jason's presence.  It would be stupid for it to occur mid match.  Because they know a killer is after them.

 

Second:

 

Sex, drugs, and rock and roll has little to do with importance of the franchise.  It's more so the culture it was created in, which it was catering to.  Catering is not important to me.  The reason they are important in this case is because they are trying to recreate the franchise in that setting, and naturally you'd want to get the time period and culture and aesthetic of the film correct... But it is not important to the franchise.  The series could have not existed in the eighties and came out any other time in a different culture and it still would have importance... (there's many more factors to that, F13th was just timed correctly and culture simply influenced how it was presented, it has zero importance to the culture).

 

Third:

 

Not everything has to have gay men or women in it... The formula now is that gay characters should be represented in more stuff... which I'm all for, do what you want... but for purposes of aesthetic, why change up the numbers and culture for that?  Do we need to add trans characters in too then?  Or Otherkin?  Normality is practicality, and let's face it, heterosexuality is more common than homosexuality, just like in America there tends to be more white people statistically then black people.  If culture is so relevant, why is culture and time period not taken into consideration when you want to implement something YOU want?

 

I mean, I get it... you want representation...  But leave that to games that are set in a proper culture.  Since this is shooting for aesthetics, it would only be natural that they would cater (as the films have) to the wider audience; heterosexuality.  They weren't really concerned with homosexuality back when they were being released, sorry.  Nothing against you... but I don't wanna force modern culture and fuse it with eighties culture... because sex, drugs, and rock and roll is no longer really that relevant now.  Why would I add something irrelevant to that culture?

 

Fantasy?  Okay.  Game set in the present?  Fine.  Sci-fi?  Go for it.  Slasher aesthetic meant to stay as close to the films as possible?  Nah.

 

I'll repeat again: Statistical normality is practicality.  And sorry to say, but statistically speaking, homosexuality is irrelevant.  What if I wanted religious orientation in the game to be prominent?  I would love to have a proper, non cliche representation of a evangelical Christian in here... but I'm not going around demanding for it.  Yes, AJ Mason wears a cross, but honestly I didn't expect any religious content in this game, especially considering the type of game it is.

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First:

 

Sex won't be during the match... they are already aware of Jason's presence.  It would be stupid for it to occur mid match.  Because they know a killer is after them.

 

Second:

 

Sex, drugs, and rock and roll has little to do with importance of the franchise.  It's more so the culture it was created in, which it was catering to.  Catering is not important to me.  The reason they are important in this case is because they are trying to recreate the franchise in that setting, and naturally you'd want to get the time period and culture and aesthetic of the film correct... But it is not important to the franchise.  The series could have not existed in the eighties and came out any other time in a different culture and it still would have importance... (there's many more factors to that, F13th was just timed correctly and culture simply influenced how it was presented, it has zero importance to the culture).

 

Third:

 

Not everything has to have gay men or women in it... The formula now is that gay characters should be represented in more stuff... which I'm all for, do what you want... but for purposes of aesthetic, why change up the numbers and culture for that?  Do we need to add trans characters in too then?  Or Otherkin?  Normality is practicality, and let's face it, heterosexuality is more common than homosexuality, just like in America there tends to be more white people statistically then black people.  If culture is so relevant, why is culture and time period not taken into consideration when you want to implement something YOU want?

 

I mean, I get it... you want representation...  But leave that to games that are set in a proper culture.  Since this is shooting for aesthetics, it would only be natural that they would cater (as the films have) to the wider audience; heterosexuality.  They weren't really concerned with homosexuality back when they were being released, sorry.  Nothing against you... but I don't wanna force modern culture and fuse it with eighties culture... because sex, drugs, and rock and roll is no longer really that relevant now.  Why would I add something irrelevant to that culture?

 

Fantasy?  Okay.  Game set in the present?  Fine.  Sci-fi?  Go for it.  Slasher aesthetic meant to stay as close to the films as possible?  Nah.

 

I'll repeat again: Statistical normality is practicality.  And sorry to say, but statistically speaking, homosexuality is irrelevant.  What if I wanted religious orientation in the game to be prominent?  I would love to have a proper, non cliche representation of a evangelical Christian in here... but I'm not going around demanding for it.  Yes, AJ Mason wears a cross, but honestly I didn't expect any religious content in this game, especially considering the type of game it is.

 

To address your first point: I seem to remember a while ago, discussion about engaging in sex during gameplay... I'm pretty sure it's never been stated that all the counselors are aware of Jason's activity at the beginning of the match.

 

On your second point: Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll are quintessential 80's... that literally sums up the era, and is well known to be a huge part of Friday the 13th, it's asthetic, some of it's musical choices [Alice Cooper anyone?] ect. How many of the movies include potheads/stoners [damn near all of them.] and yes, this includes drinking, which in every movie, the teens get their drink on. Why do you think the devs went out of their way to get a group to literally create 80's themed rock anthem's for the game?

 

Your 3rd point: You already said you don't care about asthetic in your 2nd point... yet you argue asthetics for a reason not to include GLB characters in your 3rd point? Interesting.

 

I also mentioned, I'm not looking for additional representation. You seem to forget, Gay culture was huge in the 80's, and because of that, was one of the reasons the AIDS scare started up to begin with... all that started in the 80's, and should be entirely open to referencing in a game that literally, wouldn't exist, without the era in question.

 

So... yeah, I mean I get you, and I get where you're coming from, and I don't expect to be catered to in this instance [hell  like you, I was shocked to see AJ having a cross, but totally stoked for it, and for the record, I'm Wiccan, still glad to see some religious representation.] But there's a fine line to an experience like this. Back in the 80's, it wasn't socially acceptable to just be 100% open about it, now it's closer to a 75% acceptability or so. Hell even the last scream movie, and the scream TV series, have touched on it... so did the recent Childs Play movie... it's time to incorporate it into F13... even if it's just a side reference, it would be appreciated.

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I think we're getting riled up over nothing. We have no idea IF sex will be implemented in the game, and IF it is, we don't know HOW! However, if it is part of the game, I would like it to be an option.

 

Also, if the option is present, this option would open up more roleplay options! Hell I wouldn't even play « gay » all my games, if I'm the Preppy guy, you know I'm gonna be going after the Flirty girl haha. But what if I wanna roleplay as a Bookish girl who has a secret crush on her best friend the Girl next door? That could be cool too. If you would NEVER use it and DON'T CARE at all about it, then don't do it, the option would just be neat I think.

 

Keep in mind, if that option isn't present or if sex as a whole isn't present in the game, I really don't mind.

 

Besides if it does happen, homosexuality isn't modern culture being forced on an 80s game... You're aware we existed in the 80s too right? and even before that haha!

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To address your first point: I seem to remember a while ago, discussion about engaging in sex during gameplay... I'm pretty sure it's never been stated that all the counselors are aware of Jason's activity at the beginning of the match.

 

On your second point: Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll are quintessential 80's... that literally sums up the era, and is well known to be a huge part of Friday the 13th, it's asthetic, some of it's musical choices [Alice Cooper anyone?] ect. How many of the movies include potheads/stoners [damn near all of them.] and yes, this includes drinking, which in every movie, the teens get their drink on. Why do you think the devs went out of their way to get a group to literally create 80's themed rock anthem's for the game?

 

Your 3rd point: You already said you don't care about asthetic in your 2nd point... yet you argue asthetics for a reason not to include GLB characters in your 3rd point? Interesting.

 

I also mentioned, I'm not looking for additional representation. You seem to forget, Gay culture was huge in the 80's, and because of that, was one of the reasons the AIDS scare started up to begin with... all that started in the 80's, and should be entirely open to referencing in a game that literally, wouldn't exist, without the era in question.

 

So... yeah, I mean I get you, and I get where you're coming from, and I don't expect to be catered to in this instance [hell  like you, I was shocked to see AJ having a cross, but totally stoked for it, and for the record, I'm Wiccan, still glad to see some religious representation.] But there's a fine line to an experience like this. Back in the 80's, it wasn't socially acceptable to just be 100% open about it, now it's closer to a 75% acceptability or so. Hell even the last scream movie, and the scream TV series, have touched on it... so did the recent Childs Play movie... it's time to incorporate it into F13... even if it's just a side reference, it would be appreciated.

 

They've confirmed on twitter many MANY times that the Counselors will be fully aware of Jason once the match starts.  Sex scenes will likely be used when spawning in.

 

 

And no, I didn't say aesthetics were not important... I said aesthetics in terms of culture varies, so sex drugs and rock and roll didn't make Friday The 13th, it's just the recognizable era in which it came out.  That was my point.  And I disagree that this game wouldn't exist without the era.... Greatly, actually.  I think era has very little to do with how well this game does or why it has a game as of now.  Sure it follows the formula of "eighties slashers" but again culture and time period don't determine outcomes that much.  It was catering to that rock and roll era... if it had any other time it would cater to that.  I'm not giving culture credit for slasher movies, because culture merely influences how they are presented they do not make it famous in any way.  In fact it serves to hinder future films and slashers as they feel they need to abide by this cliche... even in modern, new slashers.  It get's old and predictable so no keep eighties out of slashers, keep it when it was actually relevant.

 

It's not that I actually care what they do with that... Hell I had the same question myself.  BUT my question is why is this concerning to anyone?  As in, why does it matter other than for the sake of "representation"?  And why is representation of statistically abnormal practices necessary?

 

I mean, for every game that exists, there is a person of a particular "community" who asks to be represented in it... So this isn't a new thing you're trying to do.  It's been tried, succeeded, and implemented in various games, film, and TV before.

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It's not that I actually care what they do with that... Hell I had the same question myself.  BUT my question is why is this concerning to anyone?  As in, why does it matter other than for the sake of "representation"?  And why is representation of statistically abnormal practices necessary?

 

I mean, for every game that exists, there is a person of a particular "community" who asks to be represented in it... So this isn't a new thing you're trying to do.  It's been tried, succeeded, and implemented in various games, film, and TV before.

 

I don't know if you're answering my post or Flashframe's, but to me this isn't about representation and it isn't necessary haha.

 

As I said, we don't know IF and HOW sex will be implemented in the game. However if it is, it would take no effort to allow that option. To me it's really more about the roleplaying element of the game. 

 

And I know that Friday as a franchise has no openly LGB characters, but that's because in the 80s, they couldn't. Now they can! They don't have to, it'd just be neat. 

 

Besides if they do allow it, but that's something you're not interested in, you don't have to use the option, it would just be there. The only downfall for you would be during the game to KNOW that somewhere out there in the woods, there might be two same sex animated counselors getting freaky. Oh the HUMANITY! ;p

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I don't think having sex during a match is going to be a thing. That's just an educated guess on my part. I certainly don't want it to be part of the game. I mean, it would be very distracting, awkward, and weird. As for the inclusion of homosexuality? I guess I don't really care. They could just drop a reference to the rocker chick being gay in her bio, but I wouldn't want it to be intrusive.

 

Edit: That sounded far more flippant and aloof than I wanted it too.

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I don't know if you're answering my post or Flashframe's, but to me this isn't about representation and it isn't necessary haha.

 

As I said, we don't know IF and HOW sex will be implemented in the game. However if it is, it would take no effort to allow that option. To me it's really more about the roleplaying element of the game. 

 

And I know that Friday as a franchise has no openly LGB characters, but that's because in the 80s, they couldn't. Now they can! They don't have to, it'd just be neat. 

 

Besides if they do allow it, but that's something you're not interested in, you don't have to use the option, it would just be there. The only downfall for you would be during the game to KNOW that somewhere out there in the woods, there might be two same sex animated counselors getting freaky. Oh the HUMANITY! ;p

 

So you say that there were gays in the eighties... who couldn't talk about it.

 

But now because we are about 30 years later and now it's less taboo, it should be implemented in a culture where it WAS taboo still...  And I thought you argued previously that gays were prominent in the eighties?

 

Gays were everywhere in history.  That doesn't mean they were open about it and it doesn't mean we write open gays in periods where it was taboo to be openly gay.  It's like having a gay character in a WWI game (Battlefield 1) just because TODAY they're allowed to be open.

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So you say that there were gays in the eighties... who couldn't talk about it.

 

But now because we are about 30 years later and now it's less taboo, it should be implemented in a culture where it WAS taboo still...  And I thought you argued previously that gays were prominent in the eighties?

 

Gays were everywhere in history.  That doesn't mean they were open about it and it doesn't mean we write open gays in periods where it was taboo to be openly gay.  It's like having a gay character in a WWI game (Battlefield 1) just because TODAY they're allowed to be open.

 

Gay people were there in the 80s. Their loved ones and close friends probably knew and still hung out with them and went on camping trips witht hem.

 

IN A MOVIE THAT WAS MADE IN THE 80s, they couldn't show that, because society wasn't as open about it.

 

IN A VIDEO GAME MADE IN 2016 BUT SET IN THE 80s, they can show that, because that was the reality!!

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Gay people were there in the 80s. Their loved ones and close friends probably knew and still hung out with them and went on camping trips witht hem.

 

IN A MOVIE THAT WAS MADE IN THE 80s, they couldn't show that, because society wasn't as open about it.

 

IN A VIDEO GAME MADE IN 2016 BUT SET IN THE 80s, they can show that, because that was the reality!!

 

And for a video game that wants to stay true to the films.... huh.

 

I suppose you have to make exceptions because gay representation.

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And for a video game that wants to stay true to the films.... huh.

 

I suppose you have to make exceptions because gay representation.

 

Honestly as I said, to me it wasn't about representation, it was about role playing. Besides I believe you can stay true to the films, their context and the setting even when providing representation, since these are brand new characters except for Tommy. 

 

And I never said the devs had to I just said, if sex or sexual interactions are included, it'd be neat to have the possibility, as long as it's not forced on anyone.

 

However, your attitude shows exactly why representation is often needed. Let's say the devs agree with you and decide, no, even though the fact that we're making this game in 2016 would allow us to better represent the reality of the time period in which the films were set (i.e. gay people existed), we would rather not include them. They're a minority and can play straight. I honestly would be minorly disappointed but I wouldn't care that much, we don't even know IF sex or sexual interactions will be included.

 

However now imagine a new Friday game or movie made in 2035. The developers/filmmakers look back on the franchise and decide, you know what, back in 2009 they made a movie and in 2016 a video game, and they were absolutely 0 gay people even though they were (supposedly) very accepted and open. Well I guess we don't need to include them even though we're now adding an entry in the franchise in 2035.

 

My point wasn't about representation, but since YOU have been bringing the conversation back to it every chance you get, EVEN THOUGH I'M talking about role playing, THIS is why representation is important.

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Honestly as I said, to me it wasn't about representation, it was about role playing. Besides I believe you can stay true to the films, their context and the setting even when providing representation, since these are brand new characters except for Tommy. 

 

And I never said the devs had to I just said, if sex or sexual interactions are included, it'd be neat to have the possibility, as long as it's not forced on anyone.

 

However, your attitude shows exactly why representation is often needed. Let's say the devs agree with you and decide, no, even though the fact that we're making this game in 2016 would allow us to better represent the reality of the time period in which the films were set (i.e. gay people existed), we would rather not include them. They're a minority and can play straight. I honestly would be minorly disappointed but I wouldn't care that much, we don't even know IF sex or sexual interactions will be included.

 

However now imagine a new Friday game or movie made in 2035. The developers/filmmakers look back on the franchise and decide, you know what, back in 2009 they made a movie and in 2016 a video game, and they were absolutely 0 gay people even though they were (supposedly) very accepted and open. Well I guess we don't need to include them even though we're now adding an entry in the franchise in 2035.

 

My point wasn't about representation, but since YOU have been bringing the conversation back to it every chance you get, EVEN THOUGH I'M talking about role playing, THIS is why representation is important.

 

The current date has nothing to do with anything so I don't know why you're bringing it up...

 

But it is about representation.... It's stated multiple times in this thread, AND you want to roleplay as someone who is gay... and apparently you can't roleplay as anything that isn't coded in the game.  So yes, you want representation.  You want homosexuality to be put into the game.  So this is about representation, because apparently you can't roleplay in your head like most people can.

 

And I wouldn't care either way except that it doesn't follow a movie formula... and you're argument against that is "because it's the current year"....  Yeah, and women fought in WWI because Battlefield 1 was created in 20th century....  If this game weren't set and meant to be portrayed as close to the movies as possible, I'd be completely fine, but when you start bending the line of what was represented in that time and what was or wasn't taboo, others are going to demand the same treatment.

 

"Why aren't there more asians in this game?  Why aren't there Muslims in this game?  After all, it's 2016."  Do you see how that can be a problem?

 

My issue here is that once we start to make exceptions for one group, we start to feel obligated to include ALL groups for the sake of inclusion.  It isn't the homosexuality I'm worried about; it's what it can bring about, and it is unnecessary since it was already taboo in that time.  If this were set in modern times fine.  But this is trying to stay as close to the films as possible.  We don't need to bring any subgroups, sexualities, identities, or social politics into it that wasn't represented in the movies....  It gets too messy.

 

In this day and age, you can't get away with excluding particular groups or people from your creation without being called all sorts of "phobes" even when the creation in question has no reason to include them, or better yet has reasons against including them that doesn't involve hate.  And when you do include a part of a group typically you start to feel obligated to include ALL minority groups in all realms of human endeavor.

 

When I say normality is practicality, I mean it now, this age, more than ever.

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The current date has nothing to do with anything so I don't know why you're bringing it up...

 

But it is about representation.... It's stated multiple times in this thread, AND you want to roleplay as someone who is gay... and apparently you can't roleplay as anything that isn't coded in the game.  So yes, you want representation.  You want homosexuality to be put into the game.  So this is about representation, because apparently you can't roleplay in your head like most people can.

 

And I wouldn't care either way except that it doesn't follow a movie formula... and you're argument against that is "because it's the current year"....  Yeah, and women fought in WWI because Battlefield 1 was created in 20th century....  If this game weren't set and meant to be portrayed as close to the movies as possible, I'd be completely fine, but when you start bending the line of what was represented in that time and what was or wasn't taboo, others are going to demand the same treatment.

 

"Why aren't there more asians in this game?  Why aren't there Muslims in this game?  After all, it's 2016."  Do you see how that can be a problem?

 

My issue here is that once we start to make exceptions for one group, we start to feel obligated to include ALL groups for the sake of inclusion.  It isn't the homosexuality I'm worried about; it's what it can bring about, and it is unnecessary since it was already taboo in that time.  If this were set in modern times fine.  But this is trying to stay as close to the films as possible.  We don't need to bring any subgroups, sexualities, identities, or social politics into it that wasn't represented in the movies....  It gets too messy.

It's not a deal breaker for me, as I said, i think it would be neat, that's all!

 

However I remember you getting your panties in a bunch when someone said they were against the inclusion of Shelley in the game, because you like him so much.

 

I don't think he should be included, because he is fat. Fat people are a minority, so they don't really need to be represented. Besides, there is only ONE overweight person in the entirety of the franchise, so in a new game who is supposed to represent the franchise, it would be weird to have one. 

 

Also, people in the 80s were less overweight in America than they are now, so who cares if people want to have different body types in video games now because there are more overweight people, there weren't as many in the 80s!!! ACCURACY.

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It's not a deal breaker for me, as I said, i think it would be neat, that's all!

 

However I remember you getting your panties in a bunch when someone said they were against the inclusion of Shelley in the game, because you like him so much.

 

I don't think he should be included, because he is fat. Fat people are a minority, so they don't really need to be represented. Besides, there is only ONE overweight person in the entirety of the franchise, so in a new game who is supposed to represent the franchise, it would be weird to have one. 

 

Also, people in the 80s were less overweight in America than they are now, so who cares if people want to have different body types in video games now because there are more overweight people, there weren't as many in the 80s!!! ACCURACY.

 

Dude, I never did that...  It was something called a joke.  I didn't care whether Shelley was in the game or not.

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Allllright, let's try to bring it back on topic instead of arguing.

 

1. The match will start off with the Counselors aware of Jason's presence. This has been stated many times. As of now, the only possibility of any type of sexual encounters in the came will take place on spawn, i.e., you might spawn in with your character getting dressed after sex. That being said, it is highly unlikely for us to see any type of encounter like that during gameplay because it wouldn't make sense. You don't have sex when a masked murderer is chasing you. Sex is a taboo for the ESRB, and the game is kind of dancing on the line with all the brutal death, so I wouldn't expect anything extreme in this category.

 

2. I want to make it clear that I don't care about people's sexual orientations. Be with whoever you want, male or female, whether you yourself are male or female. But I don't think it matters in this type of game, because the characters probably won't be explored that in-depth; they'll be too busy trying to get away from the masked murderer. The devs do want to leave us with enough room to create our own role-playing scenarios, though, so if in your head your character is gay/lesbian/bi, then that's fine.

 

3. I don't believe I've heard anything about drug use in the game. That's another no-no to the ESRB, but we'll have to wait for official word.

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This is going to sound more...whatever..than intended but, f13 isnt about gays. It isnt about having sex, its really irrelevant to the game mechanics. It isnt about muslums,asians, or fat people. Its about surviving against a revenge machine that only seeks your death.period. if you want to be gay in game just pretend your character is gay. Solved. I will never know my teammate is running around as such and i dont care. But i def dont want no dude coming up to my avatar prompting "sex or nah". Nah. Hells nah. Oh and f13 is based in reality? What reality do you live in where corpses are resurrected by lightning and have teleportation abilities?

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Allllright, let's try to bring it back on topic instead of arguing.

 

1. The match will start off with the Counselors aware of Jason's presence. This has been stated many times. As of now, the only possibility of any type of sexual encounters in the came will take place on spawn, i.e., you might spawn in with your character getting dressed after sex. That being said, it is highly unlikely for us to see any type of encounter like that during gameplay because it wouldn't make sense. You don't have sex when a masked murderer is chasing you. Sex is a taboo for the ESRB, and the game is kind of dancing on the line with all the brutal death, so I wouldn't expect anything extreme in this category.

 

2. I want to make it clear that I don't care about people's sexual orientations. Be with whoever you want, male or female, whether you yourself are male or female. But I don't think it matters in this type of game, because the characters probably won't be explored that in-depth; they'll be too busy trying to get away from the masked murderer. The devs do want to leave us with enough room to create our own role-playing scenarios, though, so if in your head your character is gay/lesbian/bi, then that's fine.

 

3. I don't believe I've heard anything about drug use in the game. That's another no-no to the ESRB, but we'll have to wait for official word.

 

1 fair.

 

2 Representation should be equitable... your position is essentially: "I don't think we need X type of person in this game because I don't think it needs to be there." Basically replace X with any minority [ie Try that with black and see how much of an ass it makes you sound.] 

 

3: Drug Use is far from a "no-no" with the ESRB... see Grand Theft Auto V for a great example. Or Fallout, or any number of other games where drug use is common AND interactable.

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This is going to sound more...whatever..than intended but, f13 isnt about gays. It isnt about having sex, its really irrelevant to the game mechanics. It isnt about muslums,asians, or fat people. Its about surviving against a revenge machine that only seeks your death.period. if you want to be gay in game just pretend your character is gay. Solved. I will never know my teammate is running around as such and i dont care. But i def dont want no dude coming up to my avatar prompting "sex or nah". Nah. Hells nah. Oh and f13 is based in reality? What reality do you live in where corpses are resurrected by lightning and have teleportation abilities?

 

No one is saying HEY WE WANT SEX IN THE GAME.

 

What we're saying is IF it is in the game, DEPENDING on HOW it is implemented, if there is the option for heterosexual sex or sexual interactions, it would be neat, to us, if the option of same sex interactions was there too.

 

If sex isnt part of the game who cares lol

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It's not a deal breaker for me, as I said, i think it would be neat, that's all!

 

However I remember you getting your panties in a bunch when someone said they were against the inclusion of Shelley in the game, because you like him so much.

 

I don't think he should be included, because he is fat. Fat people are a minority, so they don't really need to be represented. Besides, there is only ONE overweight person in the entirety of the franchise, so in a new game who is supposed to represent the franchise, it would be weird to have one. 

 

Also, people in the 80s were less overweight in America than they are now, so who cares if people want to have different body types in video games now because there are more overweight people, there weren't as many in the 80s!!! ACCURACY.

 

There's several overweight people in the franchise... just off hand:

Shelly

Bananna girl

Diner owner in JGTH

 

just sayin...

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1 fair.

 

2 Representation should be equitable... your position is essentially: "I don't think we need X type of person in this game because I don't think it needs to be there." Basically replace X with any minority [ie Try that with black and see how much of an ass it makes you sound.] 

 

3: Drug Use is far from a "no-no" with the ESRB... see Grand Theft Auto V for a great example. Or Fallout, or any number of other games where drug use is common AND interactable.

Fair enough about everything else, but that most certainly is not what I said about sexual orientation or representation.

 

Also, when you combine sex and drugs with graphic, brutal death, the ESRB does get twitchy.

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